Chronicle Sheet for no credit question...


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If a character runs a scenario for no credit (they've already completed the scenario with another character), does the character receiving the chronicle sheet for no credit get access to any of the items on the Chronicle Sheet? I'm thinking no, but then I'm wondering why we'd even report or provide CS for a no-credit participation in this situation?

The Exchange 5/5

N N 959 wrote:
If a character runs a scenario for no credit (they've already completed the scenario with another character), does the character receiving the chronicle sheet for no credit get access to any of the items on the Chronicle Sheet? I'm thinking no, but then I'm wondering why we'd even report or provide CS for a no-credit participation in this situation?

do you mean runs a scenario as a judge?

If I run a scenario as a judge a second time (or even a third or 4th...), the second run is not assigned to one of my PCs. In fact, most of the time I would record my PFS# with a "-0" on the tracker, to show that it is not assigned to a PC.

This would mean that there is no PC attached to be recieving the access ... or do you mean that I get access... hay, that sounds great! I want to buy a Handy Haversack so I can lug all my stuff to a game. Or maybe two Haversacks...

Grand Lodge 5/5

I think what he means is if you played in a scenario that you have already played before (to make a legal table and the like), are you supposed to recieve a chronicle. The answer is yes, you are supposed to have one issued, stating 0xp, 0PP, 0 gp. It more for bookkeeping purposes and also to record expenditures, conditions gained, ect..

Relevant text-

GtPSOP wrote:
You cannot receive more than 1 player Chronicle and 1 GM Chronicle for the same scenario, regardless of how many times you GM or play the scenario. You are free to replay a scenario in order to meet the minimum legal table size (see Chapter 7), but once you have reached that limit, you do not earn any additional rewards beyond having a good time. A player replaying a scenario in order for the table to reach the minium table size should (in this instance only) be given a Chronicle for the scenario, though marked to earn 0 Gold, 0 Fame, 0 XP; it does not allow the character to make a ‘Day Job’ check, no boons, item access, or anything else appearing on the Chronicle might provide for having played the scenario. This Chronicle only serves as a placeholder to indicate the character participated in the adventure, and gives a place for consumables, purchases, and conditions to be tracked from playing through the adventure. This is the only exception to not having two of the same Chronicle assigned to one character.

1/5

Thanks Jeremy. They played a pre-gen and there were no purchases. In this case, I don't know what purpose the CS would serve.

Grand Lodge 5/5

N N 959 wrote:
Thanks Jeremy. They played a pre-gen and there were no purchases. In this case, I don't know what purpose the CS would serve.

In the case of a pregen, than yeah, I don't know how much it matters. But just as a matter of good practice, I would go ahead and issue one.

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Except I think it's going to cause more confusion for other GMs and more papers the player has to carry around. As far as I can tell an issued CS in this situation provides no useful information to anyone.

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N N 959 wrote:
Except I think it's going to cause more confusion for other GMs and more papers the player has to carry around. As far as I can tell an issued CS in this situation provides no useful information to anyone.

And wastes paper.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Jeremy Chapman wrote:
N N 959 wrote:
Thanks Jeremy. They played a pre-gen and there were no purchases. In this case, I don't know what purpose the CS would serve.
In the case of a pregen, than yeah, I don't know how much it matters. But just as a matter of good practice, I would go ahead and issue one.

Because if the pregen dies, the death has to be assigned to a character and reported. It's much easier to just give a chronicle every time than to try to remember whether you should or shouldn't.

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Mystic Lemur wrote:
Because if the pregen dies, the death has to be assigned to a character and reported. It's much easier to just give a chronicle every time than to try to remember whether you should or shouldn't.

No, it's easier for me to remember if the pre-gen dies I have to report it.

Grand Lodge 5/5

N N 959 wrote:
Mystic Lemur wrote:
Because if the pregen dies, the death has to be assigned to a character and reported. It's much easier to just give a chronicle every time than to try to remember whether you should or shouldn't.
No, it's easier for me to remember if the pre-gen dies I have to report it.

In the end though, it's easier for record keeping, for players and GMs alike to handle a physical copy. Especially as players move across venues. Once again, just a good practice that reinforces good record keeping.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

You need reminding of that?

If you're already filling out cheonicles for every other player, why is it suddenly hard to fill one out for the guy with the pregen, or the guy replaying for no credit? Is it any harder to write a zero than to figure out of tier gold? Is it harder to ask "is this credit being held, or applyed to a first level character?" Or "Are you using a star replay?"

It is the players responsibility to tell you they are replaying, or if they've run it before. It's not like you're going to be surprised right as you go to fill them out. If you have six warm bodies atthe table, you should have six copies of the chronicle sheet to fill out. Not hard, so stop trying to make it hard.

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This is for a PbP game, so it's a much bigger hassle. If it were F2F, I would probably do it as I'd already printed the sheet.

@Jeremy

Requiring or encouraging the retention of a sheet of paper which conveys zero useful/useable information actually works contrary to good record keeping practices. But I get what you're trying to say and agree with it in theory if not in practice.

Shadow Lodge 3/5

Surely the commonsense rule applies.

If the character doesn't need to record any changes, they don't need a chronicle sheet saying that nothing happened.

4/5 ****

But they may have spent consumables or need to resolve conditions.

Dark Archive 1/5

Do such chronicles count when attempting to obtain boons such as

...:
the one at the end of the rats of round mountain?

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Avatar-1 wrote:

Surely the commonsense rule applies.

If the character doesn't need to record any changes, they don't need a chronicle sheet saying that nothing happened.

Then surely you can cite that exception in the Guide, right?

Shadow Lodge 3/5

None of the rulebooks are ever going to list every exception for everything.

"Commonsense should apply" is good practice that, thankfully, gets brought up every now and then.

1/5

the chronicle sheets do indeed apply for boons, but remember that faction boons from season five may not apply, since pre gens are always grand lodge.

Grand Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

Talon, I am going to dispute that.

I don't believe you get positive boons from 0xp, 0pp, 0g chronicle sheets. If you did it would be a problem, because there are certain chronicle sheets that grant you boons like "one 3000 gp item of your choice." You could replay it over and over again and rack up tens of thousands in upgraded gear, without ever leveling up.

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Nope, you get nothing from such chronicle sheets, i missed the such in Dieben's post.

my statement only applies to normal chronicle sheet awards.

i keyed in to the pre gen section of the posting, been messed up by that rule before. I do apologize, for that mispost.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Even if it did, it would still be limited to one per character, and the few I can think of are level dependant for the cost of the free item.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

The question I have is how does it work with things like Quest for Perfection, where the last boon only applies if you have all three Chronicle Sheets on one character.

Would the no credit Chronicle count?

Grand Lodge 5/5

DM Beckett wrote:

The question I have is how does it work with things like Quest for Perfection, where the last boon only applies if you have all three Chronicle Sheets on one character.

Would the no credit Chronicle count?

I would say no, since the Chronicles have to be applied to a PC.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Jeremy Chapman wrote:
DM Beckett wrote:

The question I have is how does it work with things like Quest for Perfection, where the last boon only applies if you have all three Chronicle Sheets on one character.

Would the no credit Chronicle count?

I would say no, since the Chronicles have to be applied to a PC.

Here:
Axe Beak Companion: As long as you have Chronicle sheets for all three parts of the Quest for Perfection campaign arc, you may take an axe beak as a loyal mount or companion; the Chronicle sheets need not be consecutive or in order, but all three must be present in the same character’s records. If you possess a class feature which permits you to take an animal companion or a mount that progresses as an animal companion, you may add the axe beak to your list of legal and available companions. You must present a copy of Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 3 in order to use an axe beak companion as if it were allowed as an additional resource. Other than provide access to this animal as a choice of mount or companion, this boon provides no mechanical benefit.
is specifically what I mean.

(Note in this example, Part 3 that actually offers the boon has not been played or run for credit yet by the hypothetical person, just 1 and 2)

Assuming that a player has already played part on, and then with a different character (or DM it and applied it to a different character) replays parts 1 and 2 for no credit, (but applies a no credit sheet like they are supposed to), and then completes part 3, do they or do they not get access to said boon?

I am just curious, and this is not an issue I'm dealing with or anything, just wondering.

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No. When you replay for no credit, you get nothing on the chronicle. The reason you get a chronicle is strictly for recording of any consumables expended, and to note the fact that you were there.

Shadow Lodge 3/5

No credit means no credit, that includes boons.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Again, please reread the spoiled part, because "no credit means no credit" is irrelevant to the question, and "you get nothing on the chronicle sheet <which implies you do get the Chronicle sheet>" indicates that the answer is yes, despite the rest of the response implying no.

All in all brings us right back to the beginning and reason I brought it up to start with. :)

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You get nothing!

Seriously, any advantage that the Chronicle sheet might bring, doesn't count. The campaign doesn't want people to 'replay for no credit' and so it goes against the spirit of that rule to say that just having the Chronicle, gray and nacerous, spinning around your character's head is enough to earn a boon.

Put another way, if Chronicle C says "Here's a boon, it's the result of having Chronicles A, B, and this one, all on the same character", that boon is the product of all those Chronicles. (Compare to the boon in Huscarl King, which is clearly for just itself.) Having a dead Chronicle B attached to your character doesn't support that boon.

That's my reading of the spirit of the rules. I admit the letter of the rulings goes otherwise.

Grand Lodge 4/5

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Tony Lindman wrote:
No. When you replay for no credit, you get nothing on the chronicle. The reason you get a chronicle is strictly for recording of any consumables expended, and to note the fact that you were there.

Why would you use a chronicle when you have the Inventory Tracking Sheet and can adjust gold on the next legal chronicle applied?

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Why does the inventory tracking sheet reference which chronicle the item is used/expended/sold if it can be used/expended/sold without the player being issued a chronicle sheet?

Just issue the ^%#@ sheet.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Mystic Lemur wrote:
Why does the inventory tracking sheet reference which chronicle the item is used/expended/sold if it can be used/expended/sold without the player being issued a chronicle sheet?

Why issue a sheet when the next applicable sheet will serve just fine? You're on chronicle X, you play for no credit, expend any used consumables on chronicle X+1. Why do you need another sheet between X and X+1?

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Because that isn't when they were used, and that makes the Accountant in me cry.

Grand Lodge 4/5

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Oh, okay. I only like making players cry when I kill their PCs.

1/5

Bad Toz, just bad... no biscuits for yous

Shadow Lodge 4/5

GIMME MAH BISCUITS!

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