I am making a society of were wolves but I don't want all wolves, using the rules of create a were
The main creature I want special is the king and royal family of the were society someone suggested a dino a weretrex sounds awesome dunno how well that would work
What were-animal would you use.
Lion, obviously. theyre regal, heavily associated with royalty, and pounce is tasty.
tiger is a bit stronger (stat-wise) tho, i think
Lion, obviously. theyre regal, heavily associated with royalty, and pounce is tasty.
tiger is a bit stronger (stat-wise) tho, i think
Didn't even think of that.... Awesome now I got to find lion and figure out how to stat this see how it looks
Edit: found lion/fire lion was thinking fire but don't know how to turn it into a were lol
Eagle and various other types of raptors might be good choices too, due to their relation with nobility.
It could also give a half decent explanation for why they are regarded as the royal family. I mean, flight seems like a huge tactical advantage in mass battles, allowing both rapid movement to deliver orders, as well as a fair vantage point to observe the flow of the fight.
This means that they provide a massive tactical advantage to their side. So they will either serve as the scouts and messengers recruited by someone with decent foresight, or their leaders can have the foresight to leverage their advantages to their benefit in within the command structure of an army. Get a few as generals, have them rewarded handsomely with control over a some swaths of land, and take a few generations, and BAM- royal family.
It can also be used as a story device for the less than noble members could see others as literally beneath them. When having the players interact with lycanthropes/various beast like races, playing upon their perceptions of the animals they mimic can help with some shorthand.And having the nobles as something as generic as 'bird' provides a very large number of choices. "Well, Vizer Buzzard, what do you think of these allegations that we have a mole in the castle?" Of course, subverting such expectations is just as useful.
Didn't even think of that.... Awesome now I got to find lion and figure out how to stat this see how it looksLion, obviously. theyre regal, heavily associated with royalty, and pounce is tasty.
tiger is a bit stronger (stat-wise) tho, i think
Weretiger here. They can be pretty vicious. Pounce with 3 natural attacks. You can give it more oomph in a few dozen ways too.
Eagle and various other types of raptors might be good choices too, due to their relation with nobility.
It could also give a half decent explanation for why they are regarded as the royal family. I mean, flight seems like a huge tactical advantage in mass battles, allowing both rapid movement to deliver orders, as well as a fair vantage point to observe the flow of the fight.
This means that they provide a massive tactical advantage to their side. So they will either serve as the scouts and messengers recruited by someone with decent foresight, or their leaders can have the foresight to leverage their advantages to their benefit in within the command structure of an army. Get a few as generals, have them rewarded handsomely with control over a some swaths of land, and take a few generations, and BAM- royal family.
It can also be used as a story device for the less than noble members could see others as literally beneath them. When having the players interact with lycanthropes/various beast like races, playing upon their perceptions of the animals they mimic can help with some shorthand.And having the nobles as something as generic as 'bird' provides a very large number of choices. "Well, Vizer Buzzard, what do you think of these allegations that we have a mole in the castle?" Of course, subverting such expectations is just as useful.
That's cool and could work... and for added twist were mole in castle lol
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Weretiger here. They can be pretty vicious. Pounce with 3 natural attacks. You can give it more oomph in a few dozen ways too.Didn't even think of that.... Awesome now I got to find lion and figure out how to stat this see how it looksLion, obviously. theyre regal, heavily associated with royalty, and pounce is tasty.
tiger is a bit stronger (stat-wise) tho, i think
Awesome :) now simple as cosmetic reskin couple small changes and boom royal lion king lol
weretiger queen the liger son and then a ligress daughter lol
the liger son and then a ligress daughter lol
You've got to be kitten me.
I'd be prepared for bad jokes. Lots of delicious puns when you deal with animals. You might find it un-bear-able.
the liger son and then a ligress daughter lolYou've got to be kitten me.
I'd be prepared for bad jokes. Lots of delicious puns when you deal with animals. You might find it un-bear-able.
come on that is un-bee-lievable you otter work on your puns my good sir
So I decided on werelion but the question is what kind of classes would you add I was thinking fighter maybe brawler or unarmed but wasn't sure maybe twf or two hand fighter
bite grab claw claw pounce rake?
I'm not sure, but that might be the best direction.
But would nat weapons fall under weapons or un armed?
were-lions and were-eagles... i'm suddenly reminded of the Laguz tribes from Fire Emblem Path of Radiance (and Radiant Dawn, it's sequel).
there's some inpspiration to be had there.
also natural weapons are natural weapons. they're their own type. they can be enhanced by things that enhance natural weapons (greater magic fang, strong jaw, amulet of mighty fists, etc.) but not things that enhance manufactured weapons (greater magic weapon, lead blades, etc.).
though unarmed strikes count as both for monk, which puts them in an awkward position.
the rulings for using natural weapons and manufactured weapons at the same time are fuzzy--usually you cant use the same limb for an attack with both (you cant swing a sword with and then make a claw attack with that same hand), and using a manufactured weapon usually makes your natural weapons secondary natural attacks (-5 to hit) if you use both in the same round (like swinging your sword and then making a bite attack.
you can use natural attacks for any feat or ability citing an 'unarmed strike' (such as style feats, elemental fist, etc.) if you have the Feral Combat Training feat, and can make touch attacks (like with spells) via natural weapons as well (much like an unarmed strike can do)
So I decided on werelion but the question is what kind of classes would you add I was thinking fighter maybe brawler or unarmed but wasn't sure maybe twf or two hand fighter
Depends a bit on what the culture is like. Slayer, ranger, or barbarian would probably be my leading candidates.
Slayer (from the Advanced Class Guide previews) would make a nasty predator-type warrior. He gets sneak attack, which is brutal for anything with pounce. He can also target specific enemies and gain a bonus on fighting them, letting him choose a target and take them down. That's probably what I'd do.
Ranger and barbarian are more standard choices. Brawler might work, depending on how you want him to fight - a brawler in hybrid form with Feral Combat Training could be quite nasty to deal with.
I'm not quiet sure how I want him to fight I guess using nat weapons I didn't want him to fight dirty maybe too prideful for that so I don't know how sneak attack would work with that
I'm not quiet sure how I want him to fight I guess using nat weapons I didn't want him to fight dirty maybe too prideful for that so I don't know how sneak attack would work with that
Despite the name, sneak attack can be flavored however you want. It can also be precision and knowing your foe.
Actually I thought of a fighter who used two fist weapons (like metal gloves not sure of name) in the shape of a lions head these gloves might have a ability to roar and cause thier enemies to become shaken (if they fail a save) not sure what that would be
Back story maybe a man of legend who could win every fight until he lost the biggest one the fight of life he got deathly ill prayed to the gods to become better so he may continue fighting for glory until one day he could be as majestic as a lion the god sent a (what's a godly minion called) who told leon the lion-hearted (cheesy name I know) that this would be more of a curse than a blessing he said he didn't care and the first night-lion was the gods not only have him the ability to transform they have him the greatest prize he could ask for immortality he would live until he lost a fight he soon became lonely so he started breeding more were lions
Leon usually fights in human or hybrid form using his gauntlets? Of lion might but once in a while he changes into a lion to hunt under the night sky
Edit: can change at will due to being original (at least in this story)
And I thought maybe before he changed he always wore a lion pelt with the head on his then the rest hanging down
The cestus (similar to a spiked glove) might be a better choice for fist weapons. They have the same general stats as a dagger (1d4, 19-20/x2), and they deal bludgeoning and piercing damage. Stylistically, you could have the spikes that deal piercing as fangs of a lion face.
Another option might be to use a straight unarmed build. One of my favorite ways of accomplishing this is to take Master of Many Styles Monk 1/ Ranger X. I choose MoMS monk since it trades away flurry (overly restrictive usually, and its function is swiftly replaced by the TWF style featss of the ranger), and in return you can pick a style feat as a bonus feat. Thematically, I would advice either tiger or boar style since it allows slashing damage, which approximates claw attack. Overall, the monk's unarmed strike is great on a ranger, since it is never offhand, so it always gets full strength and power attack damage. Ranger also offers more skills, decent proficiencies, spells, and other various benefits. Of course, all this is me writing from an optimization perspective, and it might not be as important for an NPC.
So moms/ranger not fighter?
And I probably need to work on fluff the most
And was thinking pcs challenge him for one reason or another (to gain his trust? Survive for this long and you can ask a favor)
Again, that advice is more optimization over both combat and out of combat situations. If this is an NPC, it would be more than possible to just skip most of the various skill checks and such (I mean, have any of you ever had an NPC run a knowledge check for example, rather than just deciding on what he knows?). So fighter would not be a problem at all since skills seem less of a concern.
Still...ranger might be cool, especially if you stretch the rules a bit and giving him a lion animal companion. It would be just enough back up to be 'fair' in a fight against a whole party in some kind of ritual combat. I mean, it is strong, but not really smart enough to pull off tricky tactics, while it does provide enough action economy and strength to justify the fight against multiple opponents at once.
I also advice grab a MoMS dip only if you want 'unarmed strikes'. If you go with the cestus or gauntlet, then you are merely using a pair of light weapons, so standard fighter or ranger builds would work well without the dip. The weapons approach might be good, since you can easily have him grab silver weapons (indispensable in a society of lycanthropes), while the unarmed strikes would never benefit from ki strike...making a +3 Amulet of Mighty Fists the only option.
Sorry if I am leading you away from your vision or what have you. I just like spitballing the various ideas that roll around my head.
You both need to be pun-ished.come on that is un-bee-lievable you otter work on your puns my good sirthe liger son and then a ligress daughter lolYou've got to be kitten me.
I'd be prepared for bad jokes. Lots of delicious puns when you deal with animals. You might find it un-bear-able.
Wasn't me i'm just lion about
Again, that advice is more optimization over both combat and out of combat situations. If this is an NPC, it would be more than possible to just skip most of the various skill checks and such (I mean, have any of you ever had an NPC run a knowledge check for example, rather than just deciding on what he knows?). So fighter would not be a problem at all since skills seem less of a concern.
Still...ranger might be cool, especially if you stretch the rules a bit and giving him a lion animal companion. It would be just enough back up to be 'fair' in a fight against a whole party in some kind of ritual combat. I mean, it is strong, but not really smart enough to pull off tricky tactics, while it does provide enough action economy and strength to justify the fight against multiple opponents at once.
I also advice grab a MoMS dip only if you want 'unarmed strikes'. If you go with the cestus or gauntlet, then you are merely using a pair of light weapons, so standard fighter or ranger builds would work well without the dip. The weapons approach might be good, since you can easily have him grab silver weapons (indispensable in a society of lycanthropes), while the unarmed strikes would never benefit from ki strike...making a +3 Amulet of Mighty Fists the only option.
Sorry if I am leading you away from your vision or what have you. I just like spitballing the various ideas that roll around my head.
Lion sounds good always great to hear ideas but question is is there a ranger class that focuses on light weapons like custom cestus that would still get pet (rt easy can just take leadership if nothing else)
Now definitelygotta find a better name or poor leon will be renamed chuck the lion... And no one wants that(besides my player)
@lemeres how change wield silver weapons if he is a were silver bad I thought
Now definitelygotta find a better name or poor leon will be renamed chuck the lion... And no one wants that(besides my player)
@lemeres how change wield silver weapons if he is a were silver bad I thought
This is a question that gets asked every so often on the rules forums. Basically, the rules do not necessarily say anything about lycanthropes facing problems holding silver, it is simply that they can't take damage from it.
It makes enough sense, I suppose. I mean, even if they were allergic enough to silver that they can't even touch it, what is stopping him from just wearing normal gloves to prevent direct contact? In contrast, the damage of most weapons thrive on direct contact and damage to the skin.
And you have to realize: in a society of werecreatures, you will see a lot of natural ones (as in those that inherited, rather than contracted, their curse), so that means a large portion of the population has DR 10. If you are trying to hold a position of authority, you need some way of dealing actual damage to criminals before level 12 (guestimate, and poor one at that. Assuming about 20 STR in hybrid form, plus power attack, and through natural weapons/non silver light or one handed. Still somewhat relevant). Otherwise, you really should invest heavily in grappling to keep them from moving until someone grabs some rope. Admittedly, if you give this werelion the grab ability, they will have a +4 to grapple checks, which would be a nice start to a grapple build.
@lemeres what about a "guard" class that focuses on a silver whip? And giving the king of the weres silver lions would be cool he be like look at me i'm so awesome I can touch silver... Lol
... Charles silverlion?
Edit: silverclaw/paw workbetter I think
So charles silverclaw is the king of the werelions and wolves
None have been able to best him in a battle yet, mostly due to his cestus of lions might.
Charles doesn't wear armor except leather(or medium leather) pants and no boots
His motto you don't need armor if you beat them quick enough.
Having sink 20 levels worth of gold into his greatly cestus and his pants he doesn't have need for much else
Question is how can I make his ac not be hindered too much by his lack of armor
And what magical properties would you put on his weapons (was thinking a roar that caused shaken)
And what about an intelligent item that can transform into a lion for most of the day until it's friend/master/partner need the help for a fight
Maybe a pair of lions one per fist not sure how to work that besides gm fiat
For pants best I could think of is a +5 invulnerable minithril (some kind of medium or heavy if rangers can use medium armor)
So far one of favorite npc's I've made yet lol
So charles silverclaw is the king of the werelions and wolves
None have been able to best him in a battle yet, mostly due to his cestus of lions might.
Charles doesn't wear armor except leather(or medium leather) pants and no boots
His motto you don't need armor if you beat them quick enough.
Having sink 20 levels worth of gold into his greatly cestus and his pants he doesn't have need for much elseQuestion is how can I make his ac not be hindered too much by his lack of armor
And what magical properties would you put on his weapons (was thinking a roar that caused shaken)And what about an intelligent item that can transform into a lion for most of the day until it's friend/master/partner need the help for a fight
Maybe a pair of lions one per fist not sure how to work that besides gm fiat
Ah, so you are combining the Hawkeye Initiative with "Were...creature... in leather pants." So Team Jacob?
Ok, I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.
Well it would be normal pants but normal pants don't give ac or anything and no no jacob ever never never ever lol and it won't let me pull that up
Edit: pulled it up... What the hell lol was not going for that going more for look he looks awesome cause he isn't wearing armor against heavy hitting things and lives
Have you seen these?
animal lord template
wolfwere, dire
I had not seen them I this they are cool espcially the Therianthrope, it is cool because PC and npc's will think werewolf not Therianthrope, which has different Dr lol and easier to stat out the human side of an animal that an animal side of a human IMO
If a werewolf and a Therianthrope breed would thier offspring be A) werewolf B) Therianthrope or C) both (dr15 dr10/cold iron and silver ) or D) dr10/- with no weakness (taking best of both worlds)
If a werewolf and a Therianthrope breed would thier offspring be A) werewolf B) Therianthrope or C) both (dr15 dr10/cold iron and silver ) or D) dr10/- with no weakness (taking best of both worlds)
Really that's up to you.
Rakasha, clearly. :-)
If a werewolf and a Therianthrope breed would thier offspring be A) werewolf B) Therianthrope or C) both (dr15 dr10/cold iron and silver ) or D) dr10/- with no weakness (taking best of both worlds)Really that's up to you.
true but thoughts always welcome what wood you rule?
true but thoughts always welcome what wood you rule?If a werewolf and a Therianthrope breed would thier offspring be A) werewolf B) Therianthrope or C) both (dr15 dr10/cold iron and silver ) or D) dr10/- with no weakness (taking best of both worlds)Really that's up to you.
Custom Template for the whole thing based on the parties CR if I wanted them to fight and GM fiat the transformations and aspects.
Not quiet what your looking for probably.
@eric that could work basically a circumstantial dr?
@tiny coffee golem I want coffee now lol and a what?
@me hi
@lions stop lion around back to work
@the @ symbol I love you lol
@everybody can you make a silver/cold iron weapon (without alchemist silver) or should I do one weapon silver one cold iron (for reasons states above by lemeres)
Well it would be normal pants but normal pants don't give ac or anything and no no jacob ever never never ever lol and it won't let me pull that up
Edit: pulled it up... What the hell lol was not going for that going more for look he looks awesome cause he isn't wearing armor against heavy hitting things and lives
Sorry, I knew that. But my first reaction was "chainmail bikini", but the male version (admittedly, that was already kind of a thing with generic barbarians, but still). Plus i love plugging Hawkeye Initiative.
|
Suggestions ? I got plenty:
you can make them a Shira your players will be surprised when they come with their silver weapon against her and not make a dent.
Also my favorite that often throw players on a loop...a Rakshasa with a wolf head/jackal head. They probably will never expect that one.
A +3 weapon bypasses DR/silver and DR/cold iron.
|
|
Shira dr is cold iron and good so they still need to bypass the alignment DR. It's possible of course that they have holy weapon or the spell align weapon but, should still be an interesting surprise. On top of it, as soon as they do more than 10 hit point of damage, the Shira will have concealment.
So it sounds like you've settled pretty much on what you're doing, but that being said I have a suggestion you should consider. Something for the very, very top of the hierarchy. A Rune Giant were-Great White Whale
A +5 weapon bypasses DR/alignment and DR/adamantine as well.
A +3 weapon bypasses DR/silver and DR/cold iron.
I can understand that...but looking at some of the social factors that would be in the scenario, would a lycanthrope of a lycanthrope kingdom even have a nonsilver weapon to begin with?
I mean, if everybody you know has DR/silver, why wouldn't the standard be silver, wouldn't it? So, assuming that these weapons weren't just found (and how could they, when they are so thematic with appropriate motifs?), then you would likely only find weapons made of silver widely available. I mean, doing otherwise is like saying that you are going to use a bone dagger. Sure, once you get masterwork and magic into it, it is no longer suffers from the fragile property, but you get a weird look if you use anything that isn't metal, right?
It also seems important because it would be seen as sneaky to have a weapon that acted like silver without actually looking like silver. If you are going with a proud alpha male type, they should have their fangs show completely when they are bared, so silver would have important cultural importance.
Silver slashing and piercing weapons deal less damage. Only a little, true, but if they're so proud of their strength, why would they willingly use one less effective manufactured weapon instead of, say, getting a +3 AoMF for all of their natural weapons?
@daelen the rune lords giants sound awesome but for this particular part I wouldn't be able to do them justice I would have to tailor a section specifically on them I think because this is just a small city not a nation of weres
And the white whale sounds cool to and might make a fishing/trade city based on them
@ipslore the red I don't quite know if my players will have access to that high of awesomeness (or if they would want to go more thematic and use silver cause that's what they know)
@ eltacolibre i'm not sure (again) if I can do her /him justice not completely sure what a div is lol like motive wise
|
|
Divs are essentially corruptors evil outsiders. They are responsible for the fall of many civilizations. Divs are made from the souls of evil genies. Shira just like to hunt the most powerful preys, which can be used in fun way if she was leading a tribe of werewolves. Like the werewolves have to try to prove themselves at all time that they can still hunt. Heroic characters make challenging preys to hunt, possibly you could even organize deadly games where the players are the hunted in hostile territories.