I'm shocked. The plot thickens,
For all the talk from some about how terrible and "anti-American" Ed
Snowden and Chelsea Manning are for distributing secret government
documents that revealed misbehavior on the part of the government, the
Digsby blog highlights a historical parallel that I hadn't heard about
before: the > Hutchinson Letters Affair <, in which Benjamin Franklin > essentially played the role of Snowden and Manning <.
(As postmaster general for the colonies, Ben was responsible for the safe & private delivery of the mail. But I would not be surprised if he was under secret orders to examine the mail for signs of insurrection.)
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Its only traitorous when you do it to us!
Its only traitorous when you do it to us!
That's one of the Laws of Power; from that book.
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Its only traitorous when you do it to us!That's one of the Laws of Power; from that book.
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So they finally got around to publishing the evil overlord list...
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So, Tensor/Grand Magus/Electric Wizard/Kaboom!, why don't you just create a "Tensor Civilly Asks/Explains It All" thread? It'd have to be easier for everyone, including you, to keep all your thoughts in one place instead of creating/watching/commenting/juggling on a dozen different threads.
My only thing is did they expose what the government did wrong or sell the info, particularly to a foreign power. One looks like protecting freedom, the other looks like treason for profit
You have this really weird love hate dichotomy with the us government...
I'm pretty sure if he wanted the palace full of geishas , waterfall, and the chinese dragons he could have it by now.
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My only thing is did they expose what the government did wrong or sell the info, particularly to a foreign power. One looks like protecting freedom, the other looks like treason for profitYou have this really weird love hate dichotomy with the us government...
I'm pretty sure if he wanted the palace full of geishas , waterfall, and the chinese dragons he could have it by now.
I love my country, i distrust its leaders.
I love my country, i distrust its leaders.My only thing is did they expose what the government did wrong or sell the info, particularly to a foreign power. One looks like protecting freedom, the other looks like treason for profitYou have this really weird love hate dichotomy with the us government...
I'm pretty sure if he wanted the palace full of geishas , waterfall, and the chinese dragons he could have it by now.
And yet when someone illegally sheds some light on what those leaders were illegally doing you hate them as well. You distrust our leaders, but you... trust the laws they make to cover their own rears. How does that work exactly?
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And yet when someone illegally sheds some light on what those leaders were illegally doing you hate them as well. You distrust our leaders, but you... trust the laws they make to cover their own rears. How does that work exactly?I love my country, i distrust its leaders.My only thing is did they expose what the government did wrong or sell the info, particularly to a foreign power. One looks like protecting freedom, the other looks like treason for profitYou have this really weird love hate dichotomy with the us government...
I'm pretty sure if he wanted the palace full of geishas , waterfall, and the chinese dragons he could have it by now.
I am leery of whistle blowers motive when they go to foreign powers with information they should not have, we do not know the whole story of what he got his hands on and what he tried to get out of it so it is hard to fairly judge. And i am disgusted by what our gov. does for themselves, such as exemption to obamacare...
We do not know the whole story of what the government is up to either. What all three have done is provide us with what seems to be parts some of us expected in that story. Some of us read the new laws drafted and put into place. Some watched the debates, considered the motives and thought about the future beyond "I am sure it will be okay".
What Manning, Assange and Snowden did confirms more or less every piece of the puzzle, and add more to be worried about, things that passed entirely beneath the radar.
Whether you are suspicious of them is completely irrelevant.
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So, Obamacare derail:
First, we all know how much I hate Obamacare. In fact, I'd wager that I have single-handedly made more anti-Obamacare posts and links than anyone else on the boards.
But this "Congressional exemption" thing never made any sense to me. You're not mandated to use the exchanges for insurance if you've already got insurance. I would presume that Congresspeople and their staff members already have insurance (what's the point of being a stooge of the plutocracy if they won't even cover your health care?).
Then I read in the, admittedly, pretty pro-Obamacare Washington Post more details about this "exemption" accusation and it looks even more flimsy.
Anyone on the right (or, preferably, the anti-Obamacare far left) got something more on this?
Oh yeah: Free Chelsea Manning! Hands off Assange and Snowden!
We've already got the Stasi, might as well get the Jobs and Healthcare!
Down with the NSA! For workers revolution!
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I am leery of whistle blowers motive when they go to foreign powers with information they should not have, we do not know the whole story of what he got his hands on and what he tried to get out of it so it is hard to fairly judge. And i am disgusted by what our gov. does for themselves, such as exemption to obamacare...And yet when someone illegally sheds some light on what those leaders were illegally doing you hate them as well. You distrust our leaders, but you... trust the laws they make to cover their own rears. How does that work exactly?I love my country, i distrust its leaders.My only thing is did they expose what the government did wrong or sell the info, particularly to a foreign power. One looks like protecting freedom, the other looks like treason for profitYou have this really weird love hate dichotomy with the us government...
I'm pretty sure if he wanted the palace full of geishas , waterfall, and the chinese dragons he could have it by now.
As far as I can tell, Snowden left the country to avoid the same kind of treatment that Manning got. That is imprisonment for exposing potentially illegal activities made by the government.
Assange holed up in the Ecuador Embassy in the UK to avoid being sent back to Sweden which would almost certainly lead to his extradition to the US followed by a trial and possible execution (both he and Wikileaks were classified as "enemies of the state" so execution is a definite possibility).
The avoiding of imprisonment or execution for revealing the truth and doing what is right is a pretty solid reason to keep as far away from the government as possible.
As far as I can tell, Snowden left the country to avoid the same kind of treatment that Manning got. That is imprisonment for exposing potentially illegal activities made by the government
Nope. "they" want him dead.
"I think giving him amnesty is idiotic,” said Woolsey, who ran the CIA from 1993 to 1995. “He should be prosecuted for treason. If convicted by a jury of his peers, he should be hanged by his neck until he is dead."
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I am leery of whistle blowers motive when they go to foreign powers with information they should not have
So what was he supposed to do? Stay here and blow the whistle?
Look what happened to manning. Look what happened to Assange. Of COURSE he's not going to try to work through the system. Trust the very government who's very lack of trustworthiness is the entire reason he had to do what he did?He'd gladly be somewhere that isn't exactly a US enemy right now, like brazil, but is legitimately worried they can't protect him right now.
we do not know the whole story of what he got his hands on and what he tried to get out of it so it is hard to fairly judge.
But its very telling that you decide to fill in the blanks in your opinion of him as if he were selling out the government to the highest bidder. I mean lets say that he was ... so what? If you devalue the leaders so much, why is selling them out a big deal?
we do not know the whole story of what he got his hands on and what he tried to get out of it so it is hard to fairly judge.But its very telling that you decide to fill in the blanks in your opinion of him as if he were selling out the government to the highest bidder. I mean lets say that he was ... so what? If you devalue the leaders so much, why is selling them out a big deal?
You mean "you" don't know. The information Snowden released is being
leaked out piece by piece to create maximum damage -- this is differentthan 'not' knowing.
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