Does Unending Performance give you the benefit / s without the penalties?


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So I was taking a look at the Trickster Mythic Path and came across the Unending Performance 6th-Tier Ability that states the following:

PRD wrote Unending Performance wrote:
Unending Performance (Su): You can imbue an ally with power that lingers for a full day. Whenever you use a spell, bardic performance, or another class feature to grant a morale or competence bonus, you can designate any one creature affected by this bonus. The designated creature keeps this bonus for up to 24 hours. You can have only one creature designated in this way at a time. If you designate a new creature, the bonus immediately ends for the previous target. The creature you designate must be one of the targets when you cast the spell, start the performance, or use the class feature.

So when this is mixed with something that gives you multiple bonuses and a penalty, like the Rage spell:

PRD wrote Rage wrote:
Each affected creature gains a +2 morale bonus to Strength and Constitution, a +1 morale bonus on Will saves, and a –2 penalty to AC. The effect is otherwise identical with a barbarian's rage except that the subjects aren't fatigued at the end of the rage.

Does Unending Performance a) Extend the duration of all the benefits? b) Extend the duration of the penalty as well?


Or would a spell like rage not work since it applies bonuses, not a bonus?

Shadow Lodge

My gut is it should either:

1) Extend the duration of all benefits and penalties because the intent seems to be to extend the effect.

2) Extend the duration of one of the bonuses (unending performer's choice) because the exact wording is as you pointed out "bonus" singular.

The real treat, though, would probably not be the Rage spell, but 24 hours of true barbarian rage. A savage skald can induce a full rage in a barbarian ally without requiring that barbarian to spend rounds of rage.


I was thinking along similar lines and that is the real treat. I just used the Rage spell as an example instead. Often you can consider Ally to include yourself as well, so it is possible that if a Barbarian chose to go with the Trickster path, they could benefit from a 24 hour rage on their own.

Liberty's Edge

I believe in this case "the bonus" is just the general term for "effect" as most Bardic Performances do not have a hindrance to the Bard's allies. In this case I believe that whatever the effects of the given performance or spell, positive and negative in the rare case of some (Rage in this case), would last for 24 hours.

Sure a 24 rage is impressive, but it would still have the rage drawbacks and it is after all a Mythic power.

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