so through using a few feats
I think i made it big....
Companion=horse
fighter1/paladin 5/calv4/cleric 10(chivalry inquisition and animal domain)
Race: Aasimar
Feats
Nature bond 1,
3 Human heritage (Dhampyr)
5 animal ally (+char level-3)
7 eldrich heritage (Slyvan) <----- this is blatently up for debate i understand that (Plus char level-3)
9 horse master (+char level)
11 Celestial servant
13 Vampiric companion
15hunt master
animal companion level= 3*level-6(For feats) +5+2* cleric level-6= 64?
put those into cha
Horse (for a pali)
Starting Statistics
Size Large; Speed 50 ft.; AC +4 natural armor; Attack bite (1d4), 2 hooves* (1d6); Ability Scores Str 16, Dex 13, Con 15, Int 6(pali), Wis 12, Cha 6; Special Qualities low-light vision, scent.
* This is a secondary natural attack, see Combat for more information on how secondary attacks work.
4th-Level Advancement
Ability Scores Str +2, Con +2; Special Qualities combat trained.
I mean given the linear advancement i'm seeing something scary........
even without eldrich heritage this thing is effective druid level(edl) 47.... without animal ally stacking it's still EDL 30!
So.. what am I missing here?
I doubt the eldritch heritage bit as although it has some of the similar wording as animal ally, it lacks the part where it stacks if you later on get a class feature.
Here is a build that has no multiclassing and has a high level mount.
Class: Oracle 20
Race: Aasimar
Mystery: Nature
Important Revelations: Speak With Animals: Horses (3rd Level), Bonded Mount (7th Level)
Favored Class Option: Oracle = Add +1/2 to the oracle's level for the purpose of determining the effects of one revelation. (Bonded Mount) Which is effectively +10 levels onto one revelation.
Feat Progression
1st: Nature Soul
3rd: Skill Focus (Ride)
5th: Animal Ally (Character Level - 3)
7th: Celestial Servant
9th: Mounted Combat
11th: Indomitable Mount
13th: Huntmaster
15th: Boon Companion (Helps cancel out Animal Ally's drawback)
17th: ???
19th: ???
Effective Druid Level for Horse: 51 (48 w/o Boon Companion)
Important Note: You are stuck with no horse until level 5, in which you get a 2nd level horse (Level - 3). At 7th you get your true horse and it will be 15th level. From here you focus as a support role by buffing and healing the horse.
I don't think boon companion will work in this case, and animal ally+huntmaster+boon would still only be 22, where are the other 9 levels coming from?
If yo go by RAW to get a powerfull Mount. Then remember the table for Mount avancement stops at 20. So, strictly RAW, does the Mount progression i think.
And if you need to clear it up with the GM then she May say no to the OP horses of doom:)
Does any rules allow advancing the AC over lvl 20?
To my knowledge there isn't, despite it being easy to continue the advancement.
But if something that clearly breaks the system, requires creative interpretation of the rules, it is pretty easy to disallow it.
No written rule hard-caps animal companions at 20, or even at character level (though some particular feats or abilities have the character level cap for their own effects). It's not a bad house rule to have, though.
Try actually starting the mount. It probably isn't all that game breaking at level 20 anyway.
No written rule hard-caps animal companions at 20, or even at character level (though some particular feats or abilities have the character level cap for their own effects). It's not a bad house rule to have, though.
Try actually starting the mount. It probably isn't all that game breaking at level 20 anyway.
It is not a houserule.
My book lists 20 levels in the animal companion table. That is the rule.
Nothing in the book suggests that I can advance it above this.
There is no need for the book to state a hard-cap for something that has its parametres specified in the book.
It is not a houserule.
My book lists 20 levels in the animal companion table. That is the rule.
Nothing in the book suggests that I can advance it above this.There is no need for the book to state a hard-cap for something that has its parametres specified in the book.
Its not a house rule, its epic levels. Baba Yaga for instance is a fully stated out Level 30 character, 20th Level Witch with 10 Tiers in Archmage whose familiar is her nigh-indestructible Chicken-Legged mobile Hut. This thing about levels past 20 has existed before Pathfinder came up with it. It came with several less bells and whistles that people are familiar with for mythic tiers.
The tables may stop at level 20 for all classes, but 21-30 were considered the epic levels, always have been from my memory of 3rd edition.
The concept alone of a 48 or 51 (Boon Companion) level horse just tromping around is humorous as it is equally inanely silly and ridiculous. If the Epic Tiers were applied here the effective druid level to determine the horses' level would easily be 68 or 71 (With Boon Companion)
It is not a houserule.
My book lists 20 levels in the animal companion table. That is the rule.
Nothing in the book suggests that I can advance it above this.There is no need for the book to state a hard-cap for something that has its parametres specified in the book.
Its not a house rule, its epic levels. Baba Yaga for instance is a fully stated out Level 30 character, 20th Level Witch with 10 Tiers in Archmage whose familiar is her nigh-indestructible Chicken-Legged mobile Hut. This thing about levels past 20 has existed before Pathfinder came up with it. It came with several less bells and whistles that people are familiar with for mythic tiers.
The tables may stop at level 20 for all classes, but 21-30 were considered the epic levels, always have been from my memory of 3rd edition.
The concept alone of a 48 level horse just tromping around is humorous as it is equally inanely silly and ridiculous.
There is epic levels in pathfinder? Besiddes the guide lines in the gamemaster section of the core book.
There is epic levels in pathfinder? Besiddes the guide lines in the gamemaster section of the core book.It is not a houserule.
My book lists 20 levels in the animal companion table. That is the rule.
Nothing in the book suggests that I can advance it above this.There is no need for the book to state a hard-cap for something that has its parametres specified in the book.
Its not a house rule, its epic levels. Baba Yaga for instance is a fully stated out Level 30 character, 20th Level Witch with 10 Tiers in Archmage whose familiar is her nigh-indestructible Chicken-Legged mobile Hut. This thing about levels past 20 has existed before Pathfinder came up with it. It came with several less bells and whistles that people are familiar with for mythic tiers.
The tables may stop at level 20 for all classes, but 21-30 were considered the epic levels, always have been from my memory of 3rd edition.
The concept alone of a 48 level horse just tromping around is humorous as it is equally inanely silly and ridiculous.
Baba Yaga. Published by Paizo for Reign of Winter Adventure Path. Warning Contains spoilers for Reign of Winter Adventure Path. That is the example of a epic pathfinder character.
Baba Yaga. Published by Paizo for Reign of Winter Adventure Path. Warning Contains spoilers for Reign of Winter Adventure Path.There is epic levels in pathfinder? Besiddes the guide lines in the gamemaster section of the core book.It is not a houserule.
My book lists 20 levels in the animal companion table. That is the rule.
Nothing in the book suggests that I can advance it above this.There is no need for the book to state a hard-cap for something that has its parametres specified in the book.
Its not a house rule, its epic levels. Baba Yaga for instance is a fully stated out Level 30 character, 20th Level Witch with 10 Tiers in Archmage whose familiar is her nigh-indestructible Chicken-Legged mobile Hut. This thing about levels past 20 has existed before Pathfinder came up with it. It came with several less bells and whistles that people are familiar with for mythic tiers.
The tables may stop at level 20 for all classes, but 21-30 were considered the epic levels, always have been from my memory of 3rd edition.
The concept alone of a 48 level horse just tromping around is humorous as it is equally inanely silly and ridiculous.
So even baba yaga the russian uber witch is only a level 20.
Then she have 10 mythic tiers but those are not levels and dosent just show up on top of the others. If i Got the mythic rules rigth.No about of level stacking will make you horse( or camel) mythic. You need somthing else for that.
Baba Yaga. Published by Paizo for Reign of Winter Adventure Path. Warning Contains spoilers for Reign of Winter Adventure Path. That is the example of a epic pathfinder character.
Which used the Mythic rules, which specifically isn't just stacking more levels like the non-pathfinder epic level rules.
Outside rules for mythic animal companions (which I don't know exists or not), I was asking for anything within the rules that states or hints, that ACs can progress above lvl 20.
So far I haven't seen any.
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Any post-20 behavior is a house rule, but the written rules do allow it as an option and provide default guidelines for doing so--either requiring leveling in a different class or extrapolating existing abilities according to their obvious formulae. Under the latter option, rogues continue to get another sneak attack die every other level, BAB continues to increase as expected, and so on. The AC table would continue to grow the same way.
If you've already ruled that characters themselves cannot advance past level 20 in a class (or at all) in your game, then that is fine; it would apply to the AC table as well.
My point was that there is no specific prohibition against ACs advancing beyond level 20. There simply aren't hard rules to cover it. Published optional guidelines do exist, and the choice to use such guidelines or not use them is a house rule regardless of which choice is made, just as the decisions regarding whether to use called shots or hero points, or whether to allow classes from Ultimate Magic or items from some random adventure path, are house rules. The GM is free to allow or disallow AC advancement beyond level 20 without deviating from the core rules in any way.
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Hmm oh well. My honest mistake for thinking that mythic replaced epic for some reason... then again its bloody late over here and I am tired. Good night everyone :)