Need Help calculating a complicated Monk FoB

[dpp84290]

I keep getting a different conclusion than the online builder, so I need help checking my work. Yes, this is a weird build.

Half-Dragon Blink Dog X3 Advanced Template (size Medium)
Paladin 2, Monk 6 (Feral Combat Training Bite)
A blink Dog starts with a bite attack, a half-dragon template adds 1 bite attack and 2 claw attacks.

STR: 36 (+13)
BaB during FoB: 11 (3 from base creature, 2 from Paladin, 6 from Monk levels)

As I understand it, each iterative attack is at -2. So by my calculation a FoB should be +22/+22/+17, but I'm not sure (A) If I should have a 4th attack or not (for +11/+6/+1), and (B)if I've done the math correctly.

Additionally, the online monster builder seems to assume I should get 2X STR on bite attacks. I'm pretty sure this is a glitch from adding a bite attack to a dragon's bite attack, and that instead it should just be 1.5XSTR. Need someone with more Rule-fu than I to finish this chimera.

[Claxon]

Just so you're aware, normal rules are you can't apply the same template to a creature multiple times.

Disregarding that this combination of things shouldn't really be possible, your mistake is that iterative attacks are made at -5 compared to a previous attack. When making a flurry of blows you can't use natural attacks unless you take feral combat training, and then you are only allowed to use one natural attack to replace the unarmed strikes of FOB. FOB also says you cannot use natural attacks in combination with FOB in an way. Now, I should state the FOB sort of works like TWF. So that you get two attacks at the same to hit value becuase (as you would if you were TWF) and as your BAB increase you gain additional attacks.

Also, the bite (either from Blink Dog or Hal Dragon) only adds full strength, not 1.5 strength.

From being Paladin 2 Monk 6 the creature would have an attack progression of +6/+6/+1. When you add your strength modifier (assuming +13 is correct) you would have +19/+19/+14.

Edit: Missed the 3 BAB from Blink Dog. Which would push your attacks on BAB to +9/+9/+3 so you would get +22/+22/+14.

You wouldn't get an additional attack until your BAB reaches +11. Your creatures BAB is still only a +9.

[Jarred Henninger]

Assuming feral, shouldn't the bonus be +11/+6/+1? +13 str for +24/+19/+14? -2 fob for +22/+22/+17/+12?

Th whole monks get full bab when flurry is used should do that right?

[dpp84290]

Let me clarify some things.
1) The assignment I was given by my DM was to add 8 class levels to a CR 7 monster, using whatever template/base I wanted with the objective being to create as broken a creature as possible.
2) Half-Dragon template changes the monster type to Dragon; as per RAW Dragon's bite attack is always 1.5 STR. Normally, if you only have one head and acquire bite-attack twice, you get an additional 1/2 STR added to the bite attack (this is also the rule for Eidolons). However, RAW says a dragon's bite is "always" 1.5 STR. I think that the bonus strength from the blink dog's bite is lost because it is no longer its only primary attack. The automated monster advancer on the internet is telling me it should be 2X, but it has to be at least 1.5 by RAW.
3) The Monk FoB rules are:

Quote:

Starting at 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action.

When doing so, he may make one additional attack, taking a –2 penalty on all of his attack rolls, as if using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat. These attacks can be any combination of unarmed strikes and attacks with a monk special weapon (he does not need to use two weapons to utilize this ability).

Any combination means that you can use the same limb to throw all the attacks if you want to (like a boxer throwing jabs with the same fist). So Feral Combat Training Bite lets me use the bite attack in place of all the Unarmed Strikes, not just 1.

4)I found the FAQ thread for this, and the answer is yes I add the other BAB but no I do not get the extra attack, as I only get the extra attacks with Monk Level. http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m42v?Multiclass-Monk-Flurry-of-Blows

In which case, my BAB would be +11/+11/+6, with a -2 = +9/+9/+4, +13 = +22/+22/+17.

TL;DR The FOB is only +22/+22/+17, still don't know if the strength is 2X or 1.5X on a bite.

[Claxon]

Jarred Henninger wrote:

Assuming feral, shouldn't the bonus be +11/+6/+1? +13 str for +24/+19/+14? -2 fob for +22/+22/+17/+12?

Th whole monks get full bab when flurry is used should do that right?

No. Monks effectively have full BAB while flurrying, because their adjusted flurry BAB behaves as though they had full BAB and the relevant Two Weapon Fighting Feats, but a level 6 monk has a non flurry BAB of +4 and a flurrying monk has a BAB of +4/+4/-1. See here. Then you add the +2 BAB from the 2 paladin levels to the monks BAB. So nonflurry BAB is +6/+1. Flurry BAB is +6/+6/+1. Then you add the Blink Dog BAB, which is 3 which gives +9/+9/+4. Adding strength modifier of +13, you get +22/+22/+17. *Earlier I said +22/+22/+14 which was wrong, I hit the wrong key on the number pad.

@DPP84290 - Just because a half dragon has the dragon subtype doesn't mean it follows the same rules for normal dragons. Please look at the example here. The dracolisk only gets full strength bonus, not 1.5 strength.

Also, if you have only 1 head and acquire a second bite it does nothing. You can use the better of the two bites, they do not stack. You're incorrect on this point.

Thirdly, I was saying you could only use one natural attack to make the flurry of blows. My point was that you couldn't use the claws with the FoB in conjunction with the bite.

[Jarred Henninger]

The other part of FoB is that you add full str to all flurry attacks. Kinda overriding the bite str mod, but if broken is the goal read it as double.

Edit: oh, that's how that works...