Page of Spell Knowledge: Can arcane caster use it to learn divine spell?


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Liberty's Edge

Can an arcane caster use a Page of Spell Knowledge to learn a divine spell? Has this ever been ruled anywhere?


It says the caster must have it on their spell list. So, no.

Liberty's Edge

From what I'm reading, that's just an example being given for spontaneous caster, if they happen to have it on their list:

This page is covered in densely-worded arcane or divine magical runes. It contains the knowledge of a single arcane or divine spell (chosen by the creator when the item is crafted). If the bearer is a spontaneous spellcaster and has that spell on her class spell list, she may use her spell slots to cast that spell as if it were one of her spells known. A page of spell knowledge is priced based on the spell's cleric or sorcerer/wizard spell level, unless the spell doesn't appear on either of those spell lists, in which case it is based on the highest spell level as it appears on any other spell list. For example, a spell that is on the 4th-level inquisitor list and the 2nd-level paladin list is priced as a 4th-level spell.


Quote:
If the bearer is a spontaneous spellcaster and has that spell on her class spell list, she may use her spell slots to cast that spell as if it were one of her spells known.

You can only use it if the spell is on your class's spell list. As long as the spell on the page is on your spell list you can cast it as if it was a spell known. The text following this quote explains how to price it, nothing more.


I think the question being asked is whether a non-spontaneous caster can "learn" the spell from it. My answer would be, no, what this says is that the item is only useful to spontaneous casters, because no mention is made of non-spontaneous casters.


seebs wrote:
I think the question being asked is whether a non-spontaneous caster can "learn" the spell from it. My answer would be, no, what this says is that the item is only useful to spontaneous casters, because no mention is made of non-spontaneous casters.

That is not the question being asked. The question being asked is "Can an arcane caster use a Page of Spell Knowledge to learn a divine spell?". The answer is no.


Robert A Matthews wrote:
seebs wrote:
I think the question being asked is whether a non-spontaneous caster can "learn" the spell from it. My answer would be, no, what this says is that the item is only useful to spontaneous casters, because no mention is made of non-spontaneous casters.
That is not the question being asked. The question being asked is "Can an arcane caster use a Page of Spell Knowledge to learn a divine spell?". The answer is no.

Consider the posted text "From what I'm reading, that's just an example being given for spontaneous caster, if they happen to have it on their list:"

That seems to indicate that the poster understands that spontaneous casters can only use the spell if it's on their list, but might be unsure on how it works for non-spontaneous casters. (Answer: So far as I can tell, it does nothing at all for non-spontaneous casters.)


Is the OP trying to ask about

"This page is covered in densely-worded arcane or divine magical runes. It contains the knowledge of a single arcane or divine spell"

And if this text actually means something when a spell is on multiple lists (such as Magic Weapon)?


deuxhero wrote:

Is the OP trying to ask about

"This page is covered in densely-worded arcane or divine magical runes. It contains the knowledge of a single arcane or divine spell"

And if this text actually means something when a spell is on multiple lists (such as Magic Weapon)?

Can I copy this spell into my spellbook? Hmmmmm.....

While using the PoSK, I "know" the spell. I can write spells I know into my book (or witch familiar) just like I do with Blood Transcription.

/cevah


This item does nothing for non-spontaneous casters.


Cevah wrote:
deuxhero wrote:

Is the OP trying to ask about

"This page is covered in densely-worded arcane or divine magical runes. It contains the knowledge of a single arcane or divine spell"

And if this text actually means something when a spell is on multiple lists (such as Magic Weapon)?

Can I copy this spell into my spellbook? Hmmmmm.....

While using the PoSK, I "know" the spell. I can write spells I know into my book (or witch familiar) just like I do with Blood Transcription.

/cevah

If you have a spell book, then you aren't a spontaneous caster, in which case the item doesn't work for you.


Lifat wrote:
If you have a spell book, then you aren't a spontaneous caster, in which case the item doesn't work for you.

Oracle/Wizard/Mystic Thuerge has a spellbook and is a spontaneous caster.

/cevah


In light of the recent magus spell slot FAQ, I'm inclined to think that a multiclassed spontaneous/prepared caster can only use spell slots from her spontaneous caster class, though the rules don't actually specify this to be so as they assume a single-classed caster.

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