Superior Summoning made me Rich!


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Re-reading Superior Summoning today, and it struck me that I can get more bang for my buck. As written:

Superior Summoning:
Benefit: Each time you cast a summoning spell that conjures more than one creature, add one to the total number of creatures summoned.

Common sense says this only applies to the variable side of the SM spells, however, the rules lawyer side of me reads the entirety of the spell as including "more than one" in its options.
So, if I choose to Summon with Monster Summoning IV a Hound Archon, as my add-on buddy I can also choose a medium Fire Elemental? I love mix and match, and that opens up all kinds of interesting combos.

Nowhere in Superior Summoning does it say I lose variety in selection (other than alignment based or condition based), unless I opt to de-power my spell and Summon 1d3 (+1 via SS) "of the same kind" or 1d4+1(+2 via SS) "of the same kind" of lesser creatures.

In theory this should also apply if I want to summon lower multiples of variation by using a lower level Summon Monster(" ") with the same spell.

My next combo is going to be a Dire Ape mounted on a Pteranodon.


Heimdall666 wrote:

Superior Summoning:

Benefit: Each time you cast a summoning spell that conjures more than one creature, add one to the total number of creatures summoned.

The spell you cast must summon more than one creature.

Heimdall666 wrote:
Common sense says this only applies to the variable side of the SM spells, however, the rules lawyer side of me reads the entirety of the spell as including "more than one" in its options.

No, just because you have more than one option to choose from, this does not mean that the spell you cast is summoning more than one creature unless you make it do so by summoning from a lower list.

Heimdall666 wrote:
So, if I choose to Summon with Monster Summoning IV a Hound Archon...

Since you are casting a spell that summons only one creature, a hound archon, you are NOT summoning more than one creature, therefore your Superior Summoning feat does not apply to this casting of the spell.

Trust your common sense; in this case, it is correct.

Now, arguably, you could try for a medium fire elemental if you use a Summon Monster V spell to summon 1d3 hound archons, but your GM might, and probably rightly so, read the feat as adding +1 to the die roll, meaning that you would summon 1d3+1 hound archons.

All that being said, I really like your interpretation of the feat. Probably overpowered if it lets you summon 2 of your highest level creatures, but still rather fun.


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You aren't conjuring more than one creature unless you choose the 1d3 or 1d4+1 options. No creatures are added at all if you choose to summon only a single creature.

If you summon 1d3/1d4+1, all the creatures must be of the same kind. That language isn't changed by Superior Summoning. So, there's no option to add a creature of a different kind.


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