AMF and Forcecage

[Bard-Sader]

If I'm trapped inside a Forcecage, will the cage (or parts of it) just disappear when I cast AMF?

Forcecages are similar to Walls of Force, which are definitely immune to AMFs.

[LazarX]

Whatever magic effect is touched by your AMF will cease to exist. so whatever part of the forcecage is covered by your AMF is simply not there as long as the AMF is up. It's duration continues unabated and if that spell has timed out before the AMF goes away, then it's gone.

Wall of Force has no specified immunity to Anti Magic Field. You're confusing it with it's immunity Dispel Magic, which is an entirely different spell.

[Ipslore the Red]

Wrong, LazarX.

Antimagic Field wrote:

Two or more antimagic fields sharing any of the same space have no effect on each other. Certain spells, such as wall of force, prismatic sphere, and prismatic wall, remain unaffected by antimagic field. Artifacts and deities are unaffected by mortal magic such as this.

Forcecage is a spell that explicitly mimics wall of force. Forcecage is immune to antimagic field.

[Lifat]

Ipslore the Red wrote:

Wrong, LazarX.

Antimagic Field wrote:

Two or more antimagic fields sharing any of the same space have no effect on each other. Certain spells, such as wall of force, prismatic sphere, and prismatic wall, remain unaffected by antimagic field. Artifacts and deities are unaffected by mortal magic such as this.

Forcecage is a spell that explicitly mimics wall of force. Forcecage is immune to antimagic field.

Yup Forcecage is immune to antimagic field. If you look under what forcecage is affected by it is a word for word replica of the text, and Anti Magic Field specifically states that spells "such as wall of force" is immune. I think you can safely assume this even when going strictly by RAW and without a doubt if going by RAI.

[Bard-Sader]

So basically this comic is not-RAW then?

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0627.html

[Ipslore the Red]

Nah, that's 3.5e-based and Rich Burlew explicitly says that he puts the story before the rules, like a lot of D&D/Pathfinder webcomic artists.

[Lifat]

Bard-Sader wrote:

So basically this comic is not-RAW then?

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0627.html

I'm assuming that this is a joke? Because if it isn't then I'd like to state that using a comic as a RAW source is insane. This is made even more insane when you realize that the author of the comic has stated that the "rules" of the comic is NOT tied to a specific system but does tend to resemble 3.5 edition a bit.

[LazarX]

Lifat wrote:

Ipslore the Red wrote:

Wrong, LazarX.

Antimagic Field wrote:

Two or more antimagic fields sharing any of the same space have no effect on each other. Certain spells, such as wall of force, prismatic sphere, and prismatic wall, remain unaffected by antimagic field. Artifacts and deities are unaffected by mortal magic such as this.

Forcecage is a spell that explicitly mimics wall of force. Forcecage is immune to antimagic field.

Yup Forcecage is immune to antimagic field. If you look under what forcecage is affected by it is a word for word replica of the text, and Anti Magic Field specifically states that spells "such as wall of force" is immune. I think you can safely assume this even when going strictly by RAW and without a doubt if going by RAI.

This is the text for Wall of Force. I invite you to take it as an article of faith that ForceCages text regarding the spells is pretty much identical. Please highlight the area that specifies immunity to Anti-Magic Field.

Wall of Force
School evocation [force]; Level magus 5, sorcerer/wizard 5

CASTING
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (powdered quartz)

EFFECT
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Effect wall whose area is up to one 10-ft. square/level
Duration 1 round /level (D)
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no

This content was created for the Pathfinder rules by Paizo Publishing LLC and is part of the Pathfinder RPG product line.

DESCRIPTION
A wall of force creates an invisible wall of pure force. The wall cannot move and is not easily destroyed. A wall of force is immune to dispel magic, although a mage's disjunction can still dispel it. A wall of force can be damaged by spells as normal, except for disintegrate, which automatically destroys it. It can be damaged by weapons and supernatural abilities, but a wall of force has hardness 30 and a number of hit points equal to 20 per caster level. Contact with a sphere of annihilation or rod of cancellation instantly destroys a wall of force.

Breath weapons and spells cannot pass through a wall of force in either direction, although dimension door, teleport, and similar effects can bypass the barrier. It blocks ethereal creatures as well as material ones (though ethereal creatures can usually circumvent the wall by going around it, through material floors and ceilings). Gaze attacks can operate through a wall of force.

The caster can form the wall into a flat, vertical plane whose area is up to one 10-foot square per level. The wall must be continuous and unbroken when formed. If its surface is broken by any object or creature, the spell fails.

Wall of force can be made permanent with a permanency spell.

[LazarX]

Just for good measure, here's the text for Force Cage as well.

Forcecage
School evocation [force]; Level sorcerer/wizard 7

CASTING
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (ruby dust worth 500 gp)

EFFECT
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Area barred cage (20-ft. cube) or windowless cell (10-ft. cube)
Duration 1 round/level (D)
Saving Throw Reflex negates; Spell Resistance no

This content was created for the Pathfinder rules by Paizo Publishing LLC and is part of the Pathfinder RPG product line.

DESCRIPTION
This spell creates an immobile, invisible cubical prison composed of either bars of force or solid walls of force (your choice).

Creatures within the area are caught and contained unless they are too big to fit inside, in which case the spell automatically fails. Teleportation and other forms of astral travel provide a means of escape, but the force walls or bars extend into the Ethereal Plane, blocking ethereal travel.

Like a wall of force, a forcecage resists dispel magic, although a mage's disjunction still functions. The walls of a forcecage can be damaged by spells as normal, except for disintegrate, which automatically destroys it. The walls of a forcecage can be damaged by weapons and supernatural abilities, but they have a Hardness of 30 and a number of hit points equal to 20 per caster level. Contact with a sphere of annihilation or rod of cancellation instantly destroys a forcecage.

Barred Cage: This version of the spell produces a 20-foot cube made of bands of force (similar to a wall of force spell) for bars. The bands are a half-inch wide, with half-inch gaps between them. Any creature capable of passing through such a small space can escape; others are confined within the barred cage. You can't attack a creature in a barred cage with a weapon unless the weapon can fit between the gaps. Even against such weapons (including arrows and similar ranged attacks), a creature in the barred cage has cover. All spells and breath weapons can pass through the gaps in the bars.

Windowless Cell: This version of the spell produces a 10-foot cube with no way in and no way out. Solid walls of force form its six sides.

Note that Anti-Magic Field is not mentioned in this article either. I am waiting for the argument that Anti-Magic Field and Dispel Magic are the EXACT SAME SPELL.

[Bard-Sader]

Lifat wrote:

Bard-Sader wrote:

So basically this comic is not-RAW then?

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0627.html

I'm assuming that this is a joke? Because if it isn't then I'd like to state that using a comic as a RAW source is insane. This is made even more insane when you realize that the author of the comic has stated that the "rules" of the comic is NOT tied to a specific system but does tend to resemble 3.5 edition a bit.

Do I need to post a smiley for the joke to come through? :p

[Lifat]

Bard-Sader wrote:

Lifat wrote:

Bard-Sader wrote:

So basically this comic is not-RAW then?

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0627.html

I'm assuming that this is a joke? Because if it isn't then I'd like to state that using a comic as a RAW source is insane. This is made even more insane when you realize that the author of the comic has stated that the "rules" of the comic is NOT tied to a specific system but does tend to resemble 3.5 edition a bit.

Do I need to post a smiley for the joke to come through? :p

Nahhh. As I was saying, I went ahead and assumed that it was a joke.

[Lifat]

LazarX wrote:

Lifat wrote:

Ipslore the Red wrote:

Wrong, LazarX.

Antimagic Field wrote:

Two or more antimagic fields sharing any of the same space have no effect on each other. Certain spells, such as wall of force, prismatic sphere, and prismatic wall, remain unaffected by antimagic field. Artifacts and deities are unaffected by mortal magic such as this.

Forcecage is a spell that explicitly mimics wall of force. Forcecage is immune to antimagic field.

Yup Forcecage is immune to antimagic field. If you look under what forcecage is affected by it is a word for word replica of the text, and Anti Magic Field specifically states that spells "such as wall of force" is immune. I think you can safely assume this even when going strictly by RAW and without a doubt if going by RAI.

This is the text for Wall of Force. I invite you to take it as an article of faith that ForceCages text regarding the spells is pretty much identical. Please highlight the area that specifies immunity to Anti-Magic Field.

EDIT: I edited this text because the first time I wrote this part it came out snarky and I don't want to be.

LazarX... When responding to a rules question where 3 others are acting as though something is a complete fact, that you disagree with, you might want to read all the relevant text. I myself have made the same mistake you have done in this thread. You've read only part of the relevant text and assumed that the rest of us are mistaken. You read 2 of the 3 spells in question. Wall of Force does in fact not mention anything about being immune to Anti-magic Field. You might want to read Anti-Magic Field though.

[Bard-Sader]

Yeah the description in AMF says Walls of Force and others spells are not affected. So the real question is, just how similar are Wall of Force and Forcecage?

[LazarX]

After checking the Anti-Magi Field spell itself AGAIN. I see the point about Wall of Force.

But Lifat, you can take that snideness of yours and file it appropriately.

[Lifat]

LazarX wrote:

After checking the Anti-Magi Field spell itself AGAIN. I see the point about Wall of Force.

But Lifat, you can take that snideness of yours and file it appropriately.

My post was not meant to be snide. I did state that I have made a mistake and accidentally written what I thought was RAW, only to be shown the error later. But I do try to read what other people write in threads before I post, as to avoid making too many mistakes. I can understand not reading all posts in a long thread but this thread was relatively little. If you look at Ipslore the Red's post that came in just after your first post in this thread you will see that he quoted text from Anti-magic Field that showed what we meant when we said wall of force was immune to AMF. If you had read that rather short post you would have immediately been able to see that you had made an honest mistake, but you didn't and kept on what I read to be a tone of superiority about it.

[Bard-Sader]

LazarX wrote:

After checking the Anti-Magi Field spell itself AGAIN. I see the point about Wall of Force.

So do you now think AMF does not affect Forcecage?