Skinsaw Murder: Lini got the shaft


Rules Questions and Gameplay Discussion


Just received Skinsaw and I am a bit disappointed about the cards balance:

No new Divine Magic offensive spell... Not even another ex of Holy Light....
No new animal allies, AP1 got the Toad at least.
Only 1 Divine spell ! But 4 arcane spell... And the only divine is banish after use.

Frankly, it's been a while since Lini got anything interesting and she will face AP3 with basically the same power than AP1...

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Well pretty much all the Divine casters got shafted in AP2. That divine spell [Consecrate right, don't have the cards in front of me]is kind of a joke. It is so situational and Banish on use no matter what...I don't see a place for it in anyone's deck.


Not every character class is going to get stuff from every AP. Judging by the way things have gone in our games so far, Lini is one of the more capable and rounded heroes anyway, so isn't as much in need of buffs as some of the others right now.

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TClifford wrote:
Well pretty much all the Divine casters got shafted in AP2. That divine spell [Consecrate right, don't have the cards in front of me]is kind of a joke. It is so situational and Banish on use no matter what...I don't see a place for it in anyone's deck.

I looked at Consecrate and concluded "it's decent card if you pick it up during a scenario, but no one will ever keep it between sessions." Kinda like the potions in that way. Heck, that seems to be true in general of most "banish to use" cards.


If I had a divine character with lot of spells and a lot of blessings, I might consider carrying Consecrate over as a sort of insurance policy, but probably not with the characters, as I play them. I find the Holy Candle to be much less costly (bury instead of banish, doesn't bury my blessings). I will say I think the mechanic is pretty cool though.

One card that basically screams "Lini" (if she takes "weapon" as a card power) is the Scyth+1: "If any d4 rolled on this weapon is a 4, count it as a 5" (ruled as meaning any d4 rolled in this check). Her attack would be 1d4 (Strength) + 2d4+1 (weapon) + 1d4 (animal) + Xd4 (blessings), which gives 4+ chances to convert 4's to 5's.


You're right Flat, now Lini just has to find it...


Yeah Consecrate seems like a decent card to pick up partway through a scenario, but not very useful to keep in your deck. Divine casters previously had the best attacking spell with Holy Light, so it makes sense that arcane casters are ahead now.


Good point Flat, I missed it.

And a very good reason to choose weapon as the extra cards.

Found it annoying that divine caster are still stuck with inflict while Arcane have so many attack spell and so many variants.

Also between Lini, Seelah, Lem and Kira (possibly Harsk later) competition over the few divine cards upgrade is a lot fiercer than for the Arcanes.


Not that it will make you feel any better, Nathaniel, but this is somewhat consistent with the non-card Pathfinder RPG (don't know if you come from a Pathfinder background or not). Divine casters generally have much less damaging spells than their arcane counterparts.

I haven't started Skinsaw yet, so I haven't looked at the cards (I generally don't until I play, as it seems like meta-gaming too much [you shouldn't know what is there before you go, but in a card game where you can replay scenarios, maybe it's not so bad]).


Part 3 also has 3 new animals (Cat, Monkey, and Giant Badger), so hopefully that helps her out :)


For large groups that are constantly up against the blessing deck Consecrate is amazing. We got it twice during skinsaw murders and we needed it both times.

I play Lini in my group and I can't complain too much, I do feel like Arcane has much more variety, but Holy Light is a beast of a spell and even inflict can deal with most people no matter what. Hopefully part 3 has new fun animals and divine spells, but so far I am content with what the character can do.

We ran into the scythe once but didnt get it, I have a longspear and have been pretty happy with it, but now I am intrigued with what it can do.


Ilpalazo wrote:

Hopefully part 3 has new fun animals and divine spells, but so far I am content with what the character can do.

AP3 includes not only the Cat, Monkey and Giant Badger Allies, but also Major Cure and Scrying for Spells. Lini should have plenty of good options with these.


RDewsbery wrote:
Not every character class is going to get stuff from every AP. Judging by the way things have gone in our games so far, Lini is one of the more capable and rounded heroes anyway, so isn't as much in need of buffs as some of the others right now.

Yes, and let's be fair--until part 2, divine had the best spells in the game in pretty much all areas (some were both arcane and divine, of course). Holy Light for attacks (strictly better than the arcanes), Aid for assist (possibly Find Traps for a circumstantial but extremely potent assist), Cure for curing, as well as cards that both could use like Augury. Arcane had very little to make divine jealous until Part 2 with Haste and Lightning Bolt. Arcane's advantage was basically in having swankier evades, and in the 6 player version, evading can often give you a turn crunch.


I think there was an interesting diversity among the new cards. I agree not a lot of upgrades for Lini or a few others such as Kyra but even if their cards are not changing the characters themselves are still growing which will of course make a difference. =)


As a Lini player I was disappointed when I printed out the character sheets and saw how little AP2 would provide.

Having seen the upcoming animals from AP3, I think that they are enough to tide her over until she can get the very cool velociraptor :) We'll have to wait a few weeks for those.

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