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For many medium creatures, the difference between tripping with a weapon and attacking with that weapon are going to be pretty negligible (as far as the bonus to the roll goes). A big difference occurs for Small creatures, though, which normally get a +1 size bonus to hit with weapons, but get a -1 size penalty for combat maneuvers.
So a Halfling Rogue 1: 10 Str, 18 Dex, 0 BAB with a Masterwork Rapier and Weapon Finesse:
To Hit: 0 BAB + 4 Dex +1 Size +1 Masterwork = +6
To Trip w/ Rapier: 0 BB + 4 Dex -1 Size +1 Masterwork = +4
To Overrun (Doesn't use a weapon): = BAB + 0 Str -1 Size = -1
To expand on that, trip, sunder, and disarm are officially the only maneuvers that incorporate weapon bonuses, but you could probably expand that list with a lenient GM.
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To expand on that, trip, sunder, and disarm are officially the only maneuvers that incorporate weapon bonuses, but you could probably expand that list with a lenient GM.
Drag and Reposition
To expand on that, trip, sunder, and disarm are officially the only maneuvers that incorporate weapon bonuses, but you could probably expand that list with a lenient GM.
How does this interact with the Fighter - Archer Archetype? They get Trick Shot:
At 3rd level, an archer can choose one of the following combat maneuvers or actions: disarm, feint, or sunder. He can perform this action with a bow against any target within 30 feet, with a –4 penalty to his CMB. Every four levels beyond 3rd, he may choose an additional trick shot to learn. These maneuvers use up arrows as normal.
At 11th level, he may also choose from the following combat maneuvers: bull rush, grapple, trip. A target grappled by an arrow can break free by destroying the archer’s arrow (hardness 5, hit points 1, break DC 13) or with an Escape Artist or CMB check (against the archer’s CMD –4).
They would petty much all benefit from weapon bonuses, yes? Maybe not feint, that is the only one that wouldn't, imo.
Secondary question: If @ 11th level, he chooses trip. He attempts to trip an opponent with his bow from 25ft away, and fails the check by 15. Is he knocked prone? Bows don't have the trip feature, after all.
As counterintuitive as it would seem... I think by RAW the archer would fall prone because the arrow didn't trip the target. Then again, it is an arrow that is doing the tripping, purhaps. It uses wording that suggests that while it describes how to get out of an arrow's grapple.
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To expand on that, trip, sunder, and disarm are officially the only maneuvers that incorporate weapon bonuses, but you could probably expand that list with a lenient GM.
Trip Weapons: If you want to make a trip combat maneuver, do you have to use a weapon with the trip special feature?
No. When making a trip combat maneuver, you don't have to use a weapon with the trip special feature--you can use any weapon. For example, you can trip with a longsword or an unarmed strike, even though those weapons don't have the trip special feature.
Note that there is an advantage to using a weapon with the trip special feature (a.k.a. a "trip weapon") when making a trip combat maneuver: if your trip attack fails by 10 or more, you can drop the trip weapon instead of being knocked prone.On a related note, you don't have to use a weapon with the disarm special feature (a.k.a. a "disarm weapon") when making a disarm combat maneuver--you can use any weapon.
Note: This is a revision of this FAQ entry based on a Paizo blog about combat maneuvers with weapons. The previous version of this FAQ stated that using a trip weapon was the only way you could apply weapon enhancement bonuses, Weapon Focus bonuses, and other such bonuses to the trip combat maneuver roll. The clarification in that blog means any weapon used to trip applies these bonuses when making a trip combat maneuver, so this FAQ was updated to omit the "only trip weapons let you apply these bonuses" limitation.
I forget where it is that I read it, but basically it was stated if the weapon has that property or you grant the weapon the ability to perform a maneuver you can use it's enhancements/abilties etc to perform them.
lantzkev, yes, but I was supplying the URLs and the Blog that goes into additional depth. (Truth be told, I opened this thread before you posted and then got distracted). :)
- Gauss