
Thank Dog |
I've done a search here about this but the answers seem to conflict with the errata I've read, namely the following:
Can a half-elf select human racial favored class options?
Yes. Half-elves and half-orcs may select racial favored class options, archetypes, traits, and so on, as if they were a full member of both races (a half-elf can select elf and human rules elements, a half-orc can select human and orc rules elements).
Edit 9/26/13: This is a reversal of an earlier ruling. This resolves a discrepancy between this FAQ, another APG FAQ, and a Core Rulebook FAQ.
So if I wanted an elven trait, say weapon familiarity, how would that work?

Lifat |
The traits that are refered to in the quote are the traits that was added in advanced player's guide giving each character two "character traits".
You do not get to pick "racial traits" from the elf or the human. Unless of course you pick the "character trait" called "adopted" that allows you to pick a "racial trait" from a race.

mdt |
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That is incorrect.
There are two types of traits. Everyone wishes Paizo had picked something other than Traits for the new Drawback/Trait mechanic.
Racial traits (Capital R, Small t) are what you find in the racial write up. Like Elven Weapon Proficiencies, Human Bonus Feat, etc. These cannot be switched between races.
Traits (racial) (Capital T, small r) are Background Traits that can only be taken by certain races (like Warrior of Old is an Elven Trait (racial)). Half-Elves can take Half-Elf Traits (racial), Elf Traits (racial), and Human Traits (racial). However, if a Half-Elf wanted to take say, Toothy (A Trait (racial) for Orcs), he'd have to take the Adopted trait.
I hope this helps clear this up.
Also, Half-Elves can take Half-Elf favored class bonuses, Human Favored Class Bonuses, Elven Favored Class Bonuses, Human only Feats, Elf only feats, Half-Elf only feats. They can take Human Archetypes, Elf Archetypes, and Elf-Elf Archetypes. If a piece of equipment is Human only, elf only, or half-elf only, a half-elf can use it.

mdt |

As Zanthrax said, Adopted is only for Trait (racial) entries, not Racial trait entries.
I really wish Paizo would change those to Advantages and Disadvantages, or edges and flaws. They shouldn't have two different things being traits. blech. Confusion abounds.
Thank dog, it comes down to this :
If the trait is in the Racial section of the Core Rule Book, then it's a Racial Trait. And Adopted is no good for it. If it's in the Advanced Player's Guide under Traits, then Adopted is fine for it.

mdt |

ZanThrax wrote:No. The Adopted trait lets you take Trait (racial), not Racial traits.Ah, well crap. Seems I have to burn a feat or lose adaptability just to get a longbow as a bard :/
Heirloom Weapon Trait will net you a Longbow. And proficiency with it. But you're stuck with THAT longbow, no other longbow. You'll have to boost that one over time.
EDIT : Link

mdt |

OHHHHH! That makes a lot more sense. I never knew that "adopted" was meant to give access to Trait (racial). I thought it gave access to Racial traits like elven weapon proficiency. But this makes a lot more sense because it means you can't choose statups (which is a Racial trait).
Yep, it all comes down to using the same term twice for two different things. :) Don't feel bad, it happens a lot.

Lifat |
Lifat wrote:OHHHHH! That makes a lot more sense. I never knew that "adopted" was meant to give access to Trait (racial). I thought it gave access to Racial traits like elven weapon proficiency. But this makes a lot more sense because it means you can't choose statups (which is a Racial trait).Yep, it all comes down to using the same term twice for two different things. :) Don't feel bad, it happens a lot.
I don't feel bad about it. This is what happens when you try to be helpful on Rules Question forum. Sometimes you end up in large and long discussion, sometimes you give useful advice and sometimes (like this) you instantly learn something from others. :D

mdt |

mdt wrote:I don't feel bad about it. This is what happens when you try to be helpful on Rules Question forum. Sometimes you end up in large and long discussion, sometimes you give useful advice and sometimes (like this) you instantly learn something from others. :DLifat wrote:OHHHHH! That makes a lot more sense. I never knew that "adopted" was meant to give access to Trait (racial). I thought it gave access to Racial traits like elven weapon proficiency. But this makes a lot more sense because it means you can't choose statups (which is a Racial trait).Yep, it all comes down to using the same term twice for two different things. :) Don't feel bad, it happens a lot.
Yep, every once in awhile I realize I've gotten a 3.5 or house rule stuck in my head as RAW. And then there's new stuff like Traits vs Traits. :)