As far as I know, the only way to get them quicker is to play a Rogue since they can get any feat with one of their rogue talents. That'll only speed the build up by 2 levels though. Also honestly, I'd be surprised if a rogue with only tail feats managed to live that long in PFS since you won't even have Weapon Finesse. D:
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As far as I know, the only way to get them quicker is to play a Rogue since they can get any feat with one of their rogue talents. That'll only speed the build up by 2 levels though. Also honestly, I'd be surprised if a rogue with only tail feats managed to live that long in PFS since you won't even have Weapon Finesse. D:
How about a Ninja? :) By my calculations I could have 9 tails (the feat eight times) at level 12. And you can pick up Weapon Finesse as a Ninja Trick. Along with any other Combat Feats I'd need.
Is there any way to get to Magical Tail x8 (for a full nine tails) earlier than level 15? It's for Pathfinder Society (which stops, for the most part, at level 12) so I'm interested in trying to max out the tails earlier if possible.Barring things that give you bonus feats, there ain't any.
Rewind.
Why would we bar those? Bonus feats are literally the thing I am looking for here. Is there a way to get multiple bonus feats that can be spent on more tails? Rogue/Ninja is one way - is there another?
As Matrix Dragon pointed out, you can get a bonus feat as a Rogue talent, but not until level 10 (and a Rogue could probably do quite well with all his feats going to Magical Tail, since he can use talents to pick up Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus, another combat feat, etc.).
Also, there is a particular scenario (tier 7-11) that can get you a bonus feat, but with some... costs. So a rogue who played that scenario could have all the tails by level 11.
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As Matrix Dragon pointed out, you can get a bonus feat as a Rogue talent, but not until level 10 (and a Rogue could probably do quite well with all his feats going to Magical Tail, since he can use talents to pick up Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus, another combat feat, etc.).
Also, there is a particular scenario (tier 7-11) that can get you a bonus feat, but with some... costs. So a rogue who played that scenario could have all the tails by level 11.
Which scenario? I'm curious to see the specific wording.
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Someone needs a serious refresh in grammar and reading comprehension in the various uses of the word Bar as in "Bar None".
Yes, you do.
What the sentence essentially means that the only way to expidite the acquisition you want is to get bonus feats.
Yes... we know. We're all just wondering why you would say "barring the solution to your problem, there's no solution."
Rogues and ninjas can gain bonus racial feats?
Anyways, the best way to get all 9 tails quickly is to ask your gm nicely. While having 9 tails is awesome, spending 9 of your normal feats on it is pretty costly. In PFS its not really an option to ask nicely and have a houserule though... I think casters do it best because they don't rely as heavily on feats, and unfortunately a rogue really wants his feats.
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Rogues and ninjas can gain bonus racial feats?
There is an Advanced Rogue Talent called "Feat" that gives you any feat you qualify for.
Anyways, the best way to get all 9 tails quickly is to ask your gm nicely. While having 9 tails is awesome, spending 9 of your normal feats on it is pretty costly. In PFS its not really an option to ask nicely and have a houserule though... I think casters do it best because they don't rely as heavily on feats, and unfortunately a rogue really wants his feats.
Casters can just cast most of the eight spells I'd be getting as SLAs. No real need for tails, then.
Casters can just cast most of the eight spells I'd be getting as SLAs. No real need for tails, then.
Yeah, but tails are cool and you even get to specialize in them if your a kitsune sorcerer.
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Also, there is a particular scenario (tier 7-11) that can get you a bonus feat, but with some... costs. So a rogue who played that scenario could have all the tails by level 11.
I really want to know what scenario gives the feat boon. Does anyone know which it is?
Casters can just cast most of the eight spells I'd be getting as SLAs. No real need for tails, then.Yeah, but tails are cool and you even get to specialize in them if your a kitsune sorcerer.
You do? How?
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You know, I just realized that a Kitsune Rogue (or Ninja, assuming Rogue Favored Class bonuses apply to Ninjas, which the developers have stated are basically "super" archetypes) would get +1/6th of a Rogue Talent once per level. If they save the 6th activation of this favored class bonus for 10th level, they can get 2 tails at that level.
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Also, there is a particular scenario (tier 7-11) that can get you a bonus feat, but with some... costs. So a rogue who played that scenario could have all the tails by level 11.I really want to know what scenario gives the feat boon. Does anyone know which it is?
Also, there is a particular scenario (tier 7-11) that can get you a bonus feat, but with some... costs. So a rogue who played that scenario could have all the tails by level 11.I really want to know what scenario gives the feat boon. Does anyone know which it is?
Umm... Its a season 4 scenario, I know that much.
Yeah, but tails are cool and you even get to specialize in them if your a kitsune sorcerer.You do? How?
Kitsune Sorcerer have a favored class option to add 1/4 to the saves for their enchantment spells. Kitsune Sorcerer isn't an uncommon build because they can crank their save DCs super high. Enchantment is a relatively weak school, but the nice thing about being a spont caster is that you can always have a backup plan with good spell selection.
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Also, there is a particular scenario (tier 7-11) that can get you a bonus feat, but with some... costs. So a rogue who played that scenario could have all the tails by level 11.I really want to know what scenario gives the feat boon. Does anyone know which it is?Umm... Its a season 4 scenario, I know that much.
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Kitsune Sorcerer have a favored class option to add 1/4 to the saves for their enchantment spells. Kitsune Sorcerer isn't an uncommon build because they can crank their save DCs super high. Enchantment is a relatively weak school, but the nice thing about being a spont caster is that you can always have a backup plan with good spell selection.Yeah, but tails are cool and you even get to specialize in them if your a kitsune sorcerer.You do? How?
Thanks for the info. :)
You know, I just realized that a Kitsune Rogue (or Ninja, assuming Rogue Favored Class bonuses apply to Ninjas, which the developers have stated are basically "super" archetypes) would get +1/6th of a Rogue Talent once per level. If they save the 6th activation of this favored class bonus for 10th level, they can get 2 tails at that level.
Except you can't take talents more than once. That's why there's a talent that gives you any combat feat, but also separate talents that give specific combat feats.
I've been wondering this myself. With the kitsune bonus, you could boost those DCs really high, since most of your spell-likes are enchantment; the rest of your spell list could be focused on non-tail spells. It does suck up feats like nothing else though.
I've been wondering this myself. With the kitsune bonus, you could boost those DCs really high, since most of your spell-likes are enchantment; the rest of your spell list could be focused on non-tail spells. It does suck up feats like nothing else though.
Its not uncommon for a DM to make a houserule to turn the tail feats into a scaling set of feats or even just one feat that way its feasible to get your 9 tails.
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You know, I just realized that a Kitsune Rogue (or Ninja, assuming Rogue Favored Class bonuses apply to Ninjas, which the developers have stated are basically "super" archetypes) would get +1/6th of a Rogue Talent once per level. If they save the 6th activation of this favored class bonus for 10th level, they can get 2 tails at that level.Except you can't take talents more than once. That's why there's a talent that gives you any combat feat, but also separate talents that give specific combat feats.
Darn. Good point.
I've been wondering this myself. With the kitsune bonus, you could boost those DCs really high, since most of your spell-likes are enchantment; the rest of your spell list could be focused on non-tail spells. It does suck up feats like nothing else though.Its not uncommon for a DM to make a houserule to turn the tail feats into a scaling set of feats or even just one feat that way its feasible to get your 9 tails.
Would be a cool option. Would need a GM to convince though first, so for theorycrafting, it's rather limited.
Rogues can take any ninja trick, and there doesn't appear to be any restriction that they can't take a ninja trick that has the same name as one of their rogue talents. So, if you are a kitsune rogue, you could take 'Feat' twice, once as a rogue talent, once as a ninja trick, and get all nine tails at 12th level.
To make yourself not ridiculously bad at combat, you could start off by taking weapon finesse as a feat at first level, then rebuild before playing at 2nd with a tail feat at first and finesse rogue as your 2nd-level rogue talent.
Kitsune Sorcerer have a favored class option to add 1/4 to the saves for their enchantment spells. Kitsune Sorcerer isn't an uncommon build because they can crank their save DCs super high. Enchantment is a relatively weak school, but the nice thing about being a spont caster is that you can always have a backup plan with good spell selection.
Just so you know, it is up to GM interpretation at this point whether or not Spell-like abilities will benefit from things that give bonuses to spells. It may not be good to count on such a thing in PFS since different GMs will use different interpretations.
Kitsune Sorcerer have a favored class option to add 1/4 to the saves for their enchantment spells. Kitsune Sorcerer isn't an uncommon build because they can crank their save DCs super high. Enchantment is a relatively weak school, but the nice thing about being a spont caster is that you can always have a backup plan with good spell selection.Just so you know, it is up to GM interpretation at this point whether or not Spell-like abilities will benefit from things that give bonuses to spells. It may not be good to count on such a thing in PFS since different GMs will use different interpretations.
I would think that a spell like ability qualifies for the kitsune bonus. A spell like ability is a spell in all ways except noted in its text.
Usually, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of that name. A spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus. The user activates it mentally. Armor never affects a spell-like ability's use, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell with a somatic component.
A spell-like ability has a casting time of 1 standard action unless noted otherwise in the ability or spell description. In all other ways, a spell-like ability functions just like a spell.
Spell-like abilities are subject to spell resistance and dispel magic. They do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated. Spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell, nor can they be counterspelled.
If a character class grants a spell-like ability that is not based on an actual spell, the ability’s effective spell level is equal to the highest-level class spell the character can cast, and is cast at the class level the ability is gained.
Nevermind, as MrSin Pointed out. The feat prerequisites for Loremaster make this not work. I skimmed over things and forgot about the prerequisites.
There is one other option that I can think of to get another extra feat and that is the Loremaster Prestige Class from the Core Rule Book. At level one you could choose the Applicable Knowledge Secret to gain the Magical Tail feat.
This in turn means that it is very much possible to get all nine tails at level 11 by going 10 levels Ninja or Rogue and then taking a level of Loremaster.
- 1st Level - Feat
- 3rd Level - Feat
- 5th Level - Feat
- 7th Level - Feat
- 9th Level - Feat
- 10th Level - Master Trick (Feat) or Advanced Talent (Feat)
- 11th Level - Feat and Secret (Applicable Knowledge)
You need to burn 4 feats to get into lore master(3 of which will be useless to a rogue), so that's not really an option. Its prerequisites are pretty awful(what's new?). Besides, you need to have a high intellect or lore master level to take the bonus feat option don't you?
You need to burn 4 feats to get into lore master(3 of which will be useless to a rogue), so that's not really an option. Its prerequisites are pretty awful(what's new?). Besides, you need to have a high intellect or lore master level to take the bonus feat option don't you?
Whoops, that's my bad. I was skimming over things too quickly and forgot to look at the prerequisites. Plus, now that you mention it, I do remember it being rather feat intensive. Thanks for catching my mistake.
Way to get Nine Tails:
Pay for Polymorph Any Object. On you. To give you extra tails.
Unless you just want the powers.