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IT's clear to me that based on this entry in Ultimate Magic:
"Hex Magus: At 4th level, the hexcrafter magus gains access to to a small number of witch's hexes (see the Advanced Players Guide)..."
that the Hexcrafter doesn't gain any hexes until level 4. Based upon the sentence that follows that one:
"The hexcrafter magus picks one hex from the witch's hex class feature. He gains the benefit of or uses the hex as if he were a witch of a level equal to his magus level."
It reads like the hexcrafter immediately gains a hex at level 4. Is that correct?
Another question I have comes up a a result of the 1st sentence in the next paragraph:
"Hex Arcana: A hexcrafter gains access to the following magus arcana, or may select any witch hex in place of a magus arcana."
The question that brings up for me is whether the hexcrafter can sub their 3rd level Magus Arcana with a hex?
My hexcrafter is being used in PFS play and I'm trying to determine how many hexes I'd be eligible by level 12. I need to follow the RAW or RAI on this, but I did some searching here and I've seen threads where people seem to interpret the 3rd level Magus Arcana subbing either way.
Yes and Yes.
If you wanted to you can get 5 hexes instead of 5 arcana.
However you can also pick up the feat Extra Arcana which now has the dual-purpose of now being essentially Extra Arcana or Extra Hex as you are gaining another Arcana and the Hex Arcana class featuure is checking that as gaining a new arcana that could become another Hex.
So if you picked up nothing but Extra Arcana feats from Level 3 onward, you could have 5 extra hexes for a total of 10 hexes.
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If you wanted to you can get 5 hexes instead of 5 arcana.
That was the the number I came up with as well, based upon interpreting the text as allowing for the subbing of any magus arcana.
However you can also pick up the feat Extra Arcana which now has the dual-purpose of now being essentially Extra Arcana or Extra Hex as you are gaining another Arcana and the Hex Arcana class featuure is checking that as gaining a new arcana that could become another Hex.
Good to know - I'd missed that, but that makes sense and opens up some possibilities.
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Yes and Yes.
If you wanted to you can get 5 hexes instead of 5 arcana.
However you can also pick up the feat Extra Arcana which now has the dual-purpose of now being essentially Extra Arcana or Extra Hex as you are gaining another Arcana and the Hex Arcana class featuure is checking that as gaining a new arcana that could become another Hex.So if you picked up nothing but Extra Arcana feats from Level 3 onward, you could have 5 extra hexes for a total of 10 hexes.
This is technically incorrect, your 3rd level arcana has to be an arcana since you don't actually get access to any witch hexes until they get Hex Magus.
It's poorly written but it goes like this: Hex Magus specifically states it grants you access to a small number of hexes at 4th level. Hex arcana says you can generally replace any arcana with any hex.Hex Magus is the more specific rule determining when you get access to hexes and specific always trumps general in pathfinder rules.
Therefore at 3rd level you can replace any arcana with any hex you have access to which is none so you must take an arcana then.
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Hex Magus is the more specific rule determining when you get access to hexes and specific always trumps general in pathfinder rules.
Therefore at 3rd level you can replace any arcana with any hex you have access to which is none so you must take an arcana then.
I had considered that, but my thoughts were that if it wasn't to allow for the swapping of any magus arcana (hence the level 3 one too) why wouldn't the text in the Hex Arcana section read "or may select a witch hex in place of a magus arcana" instead of "or may select any witch hex in place of a magus arcana"? Sigh...you're correct that it's poorly written and I hate splitting hairs over wording like this, but it seems the any wording is there to also include the 3rd level magus arcana.
[Edit] nevermind, I think I'm over thinking it and consequently causing my brain to flip-flop. If it was to allow the 3rd level magus arcana, the "any" would really precede the magus arcana words. This is a character for PFS play, so I'll ask for the venture captain to rule on it, but I'm already leaning towards not considering the 3rd for a hex swapping.
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As is, you can select a Hex as your 3rd levels arcana in place of an arcana. I don't believe this is RAI, but it is how it works.
Is that based on an errata by Paizo or FAQ, or is it just your group's interpretation? The wording in the sections I posted, when read carefully, does seem to state that the hex subbing is only for level 4 and above.
So you technically can get 5 hexes without feat investments, or 10 Hexes if you invest every non-bonus feat you have (not recommended).
Yeah, I might do it for 1 or 2 extra hexes, but the Magus seems to have a few too many other needs -i.e. being too squishy- to be wasting that many feats on hexes. ;)