Grab ability in Bestiary 4


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I posted this earlier in the product forum thread for Bestiary 4, but I think due to the volume of posts there, it might get lost, so I'm reposting here, where it is appropriate.

I have noticed that in Bestiary 4, the Grab ability has reverted back to its version from the first Bestiary by once again including this sentence:

Bestiary 4 wrote:
Unless otherwise noted, grab only works against opponents at least one size category smaller than the creature."

Is this supposed to be a reversal of the rule change introduced in Bestiary 2, and kept through Bestiary 3, in which books this sentence has been omitted from the ability description, or simply a mistake?


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Looks like an error - might be worth comparing all the Universal Monster Rules.


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Yes, it's probably an error. At least I hope so.


I requested a FAQ about the mismatch between Bestiary and Bestiary 2, and at the time Paizo confirmed that the Grab ability should work on creatures of up to your own size.

FAQ wrote:

Grab: The grab rules for the Bestiary say the ability only works on creatures smaller than the monster, but the grab rules for Bestiary 2 say the ability works on creatures of up to the monster's own size. Which is correct?

Bestiary 2 is the new, updated version: grab works on creatures up to the size of the monster with the grab ability. The next time we do a reprint of the original Bestiary, we'll update all references to grab and similar abilities to reflect this change.

—Sean K Reynolds, 03/04/11

It might be worth noting that the eidolon's confusingly named Grab evolution appears to work differently. Barring official clarification I'll assume that Bestiary 4 simply contains the same error as the original Bestiary (perhaps copy & paste are to blame). Nevertheless, I guess I'll FAQ this since I'm not sure how else to let Paizo know there's a possible error in the book.


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It seems there has never been a ruling on this. Can we please make sure that Bestiary 5gets the correct version, which ever one that may be?

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