What is the CR of an animal companion?


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Shadow Lodge

This becomes very relevant when you have a player with the Celestial Servant feat, which grants the Celestial simple template to one's animal companion. Celestial creatures get Spell Resistance based on their Challenge Rating - so how do you calculate the CR for an animal companion?

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I have a similar, if not the same question, about Eidolons. I plan on sending a few after the party, but I don't know just how strong it is CR wise...


Technically they don't have one, as they are part of the CR of the character in question, as they are a class ability.

I think it'd be fair to treat their CR as whatever the character's Effective Druid Level would indicate, so a level 10 druid's companion is CR 9 for this purpose, and a level 10 Ranger's companion is CR 6 for this purpose.

Shadow Lodge

I'm unfamiliar with how CR is calculated in general in Pathfinder, now that you mention it. Is a level 10 character a CR 10 or a CR 9? Is there a rule of thumb for this? (I take it that it is level -1 from context.)


A level 10 NPC (using a PC class) is CR 9. Usually. Boost the CR by 1 if they have elite stats and PC-level equipment. So a PC's CR is usually their level.

It gets messier for NPC classes.

I would agree with Bizbag; use the druid's level.

Shadow Lodge

Awesome. I fully intend for my pet to have a higher CR than me, then. Muahahahha!

Thanks!


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Celestial creatures get Spell Resistance based on their Challenge Rating - so how do you calculate the CR for an animal companion?

I'd use the creature hit dice table to determine its CR.

By strict RAW, animal companions have now CR of their own and the answer is 0.

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I have a similar, if not the same question, about Eidolons. I plan on sending a few after the party, but I don't know just how strong it is CR wise...

By RAW you'd either gain the full XP for having "defeated" the Summoner or nothing because you were never really fighting the Summoner.

This is a case where GM fiat is necessary, since neither interpretation of the rules is reasonable.

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I think it'd be fair to treat their CR as whatever the character's Effective Druid Level would indicate

This is too generous, IMO.

A 9th level Druid would have an 8 HD animal companion, which is halfway between CR 5 and CR 6 based on the guidelines for animal CR's.


Just a little note, I did a study on the subject, and I have concluded that an animal companion's CR is actually fairly low. I was trying to compare the "stonelord" paladin archetype's elemental companion, and while veryfying the monster creation rules, I came to the following comclusion: animal companions have fairly low CR the higher you go. For someone with 20 levels of druid, the animal companion is merely CR 11-12, if you consider the monster creation rules. I did the verification because I thought the stonelord's elemental companion was weaker, but it is not. The natural armor/stat boosts given to the companion are necessary to keep it's CR up (hit dice increases alone dont do much). The indication of the previous poster is pretty right as far as CR is concerned.

As for the eidolon question, I'm not sure, but I wouldnt be surprised it would work out to something similar. However, I you need eidolons to fight, you can always use the stats of an "unbound" eidolon, my DM has sent a few against us, they can be tough.

Shadow Lodge

Dasrak wrote:
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Celestial creatures get Spell Resistance based on their Challenge Rating - so how do you calculate the CR for an animal companion?
I'd use the creature hit dice table to determine its CR.

Ooh! Good find. Seems exactly what I'm looking for.


animal companions, Cohorts and summon monsters, ect. Do not have a Cr. AS they are included in the cr of the druid, summoner, character with leadership feat. But they also fall in a grey area you could certinly give them a Cr if encounter with out the npc that they belong to or in some kind of speical encounter.

I built and encounter. with a paladin that has tiger as mount and I have to say that tiger is a lot stronger dam paladin damage wise. So I will be adding exta exp to the encounter.


As has been said, the CR of an animal companion or an eidolon is non-existent because they are just class features. A PC druid level 10 is CR 10. His animal companion is part of that. It's a non-question to ask what is the separate CR of the animal - in exactly the same way as asking what is the CR of Wildshape or what is the CR of spellcasting.

That said, I can see the OP's dilemma of calculating SR based off of CR, so the suggestion of using the Creature Hit Dice Table is a good one for handling that.

Tirq wrote:
I have a similar, if not the same question, about Eidolons. I plan on sending a few after the party, but I don't know just how strong it is CR wise...

You don't award XP for this. It is still a class ability.

By way of comparison, suppose you ran the same encounter, but instead of a summoner, you choose a wizard. A few times during the adventure, the wizard teleports in, casts a fireball on the group, then teleports away. Do you reward XP for defeating the fireballs?

Technically, you don't reward XP for every fight - the rulebook says to keep a running total and reward XP at the end of the session or even at the end of the adventure. In this case, you reward XP for defeating the summoner at the end of the adventure, along with other XP for the rest of the stuff they do, and zero XP for the eidolon because it's part of the summoner XP.


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As has been said, the CR of an animal companion or an eidolon is non-existent because they are just class features. A PC druid level 10 is CR 10. His animal companion is part of that. It's a non-question to ask what is the separate CR of the animal - in exactly the same way as asking what is the CR of Wildshape or what is the CR of spellcasting.

That said, I can see the OP's dilemma of calculating SR based off of CR, so the suggestion of using the Creature Hit Dice Table is a good one for handling that.

The reason I suggested using the Druid's CR is because the CR is never going to be used for XP - just for this ability. If the animal's CR lags behind the Druid's level by increasing amounts, his SR is practically useless. As in Williamoak's post above, the companion would have an SR of 17ish, which is mostly useless at that level. There isn't much granted by this template, at the cost of a feat, so I'm ok with the higher SR.


Paladin's Bonded mount become celestial creatures at level 11.
at 15th level a Paladin's bonded mount for the paladin get SR11+ Paladins level. So it would have to be less then that. I would say the cr per spell resistance is based creatures cr adjust by templet, then +1 cr per hit dice gained by creature. For the templet sounds fair and reasonable and is weaker then the Paladin's bond at level 15.


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As I recall,

Rise of the Runelords Spoiler:
the druid at Thistletop is encountered separately from his animal companion. The cat is listed with a Challenge Rating.

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