Staff of Earth

[Wasum]

I want to make an item, the staff of earth, that can cast 3x Stone Shape and 3x Stone Call on activation.

How would such an item be priced? Somehow I just cannot figure out how to do the calculation as I dont have much experience concerning magic item pricing.

I'd really appreciate some help, thanks in advance!

Wasum

[VRMH]

What do you mean by "3x"? Do you want three spells to fire simultaneously? Or do you want a fully charged staff to be able to cast three of these spells? Or six, in total? Or do you want a "throwaway" item, that can cast three of each spells before becoming worthless?

[Wasum]

Wah, sorry, im kinda silly sometimes - I meant 3/day of each spell.

[KainPen]

staffs don't work like that they work off charages. they get 10 charges and you can recharge 1 charge a day.
Staff with those spells would be
400x level of highest level spell x caster level+75% next costly spell 300gp x level of the spell x caster level +1/2

400x3x(8 Min caster level)(9,600gp)+300x2x(8th level caster)(4,800gp) Cost is 1 charge per casting.Total cost 14,400gp (I forgot + cost of any spell comps)

You can make it cheeper by diving the cost per spell by number of charages required to use.

what you are looking for is a rod or some other kind of item like ring ect. figureing out that stuff can get little wacky work with your dm on that.

[DM_Blake]

Kain Pen's answer is correct (I didn't check his prices, I'm taking them for granted, but his process is right).

If you really want to make an item that can cast two spells, with each one casting 3/day, this can be any item. A ring, a belt, a pair of boots, or even a big stick that looks like a staff.

To make such an item, we would use the Item Creation rules:

First, who is creating this item, a druid or a wizard? I ask, because it actually changes the price.

Stone Shape is 3rd level for druids (etc.), 4th level for wizards (etc.). Stone Call is level 2 for everybody.

So, the rules:

1. Command Word spells are 1,800 gp x SL x CL
2. Limited per day is Divide by (5 divided by charges per day)
3. Multiple power are +50% cost for all additional abilities after the first (usually the first is the most expensive).

So, if a wizard makes the item: Stone Shape is SL 4 with CL 7, so 1,800 x 4 x 7 = 50,400, divided by (5/3) = 30,240 and Stone Call is SL 2 with CL 3 so 1,800 x 2 x 3 = 10,800, divided by (5/3) = 6,480 + 50% = 9,720. So the whole item would be 39,960 gp.

Or, if a druid makes the item: Stone Shape is SL 3 with CL 5, so 1,800 x 4 x 7 = 27,000, divided by (5/3) = 16,200 and Stone Call is SL 2 with CL 3 so 1,800 x 2 x 3 = 10,800, divided by (5/3) = 6,480 + 50% = 9,720. So the whole item would be 27,920 gp.

What could be simpler than that? ;)

[Wasum]

Hey there! Thank you so much, that was really helpful. Does command word mean, its a free action to activate? If that is the case, would it be possible to make the item use activated?

[KainPen]

no standard action all magic items are most often standard action. there are a few exceptions such as boots of speed, but that greatly increases the cost or limit the items to rounds per day. if the spell have no duration are instantaneous i believe the cost is greatly increased so you are making something superior then a rod of quicken meta magic

if you go with staff the spells function as 8th level caster or your caster level what ever is higher. when casting from staff, you may also use any feats or other ability that apply as if you cast the spell. expect metamagic feats, but stuff like spell focus apply. you also used your ability score mod for the dc for save of the spell from staff. instead of the minimum if higher.

All other magic items always use minimum scores for save dc.

[Wasum]

Is there a way to lower the price? (I dont care for save-DCs and stuff):S

[KainPen]

not that i know off. Cheapest staff is the one I gave you same for magic item. the magic item is what DM Blake setup for you. what your trying to do really falls under gm territory. Stone Shape is instantaneous so your pretty much stuck like chuck on that as far as cost go. Stone call has both a instantaneous and duration effect so it fall in gray area.

other option is just to buy large number of scroll of these spells or wands

wand would be 11,250 gp for stone shape, 4,500 gp for stone call. 50 uses of each.

Now if your craft these your self it is half cost same for staff and magic item. but they take that long time to make.

Staff may be the most cost effective thing as you can recharge one charge a day by using one of your own spell slots.

[Cevah]

DM_Blake wrote:

First, who is creating this item, a druid or a wizard? I ask, because it actually changes the price.

Stone Shape is 3rd level for druids (etc.), 4th level for wizards (etc.). Stone Call is level 2 for everybody.

Actually, the price is based of the lowest possible caster. Cost is not.

It costs more for a wizard to make than a druid because the wizard needs a higher spell.
If the crafter does not have the spell, then the need to hire a caster with it. Hiring the druid is cheaper, but a druid may not be available.

/cevah

[KainPen]

Cevah wrote:

DM_Blake wrote:

First, who is creating this item, a druid or a wizard? I ask, because it actually changes the price.

Stone Shape is 3rd level for druids (etc.), 4th level for wizards (etc.). Stone Call is level 2 for everybody.

Actually, the price is based of the lowest possible caster. Cost is not.

It costs more for a wizard to make than a druid because the wizard needs a higher spell.
If the crafter does not have the spell, then the need to hire a caster with it. Hiring the druid is cheaper, but a druid may not be available.

/cevah

This is already included in DM Blake pricing. that why he has two different cost for the same item. Staffs actual require the minimum caster level for any spell be level 8 or more even 1st level ones.

[Cevah]

KainPen wrote:

Cevah wrote:

DM_Blake wrote:

First, who is creating this item, a druid or a wizard? I ask, because it actually changes the price.

Stone Shape is 3rd level for druids (etc.), 4th level for wizards (etc.). Stone Call is level 2 for everybody.

Actually, the price is based of the lowest possible caster. Cost is not.

It costs more for a wizard to make than a druid because the wizard needs a higher spell.
If the crafter does not have the spell, then the need to hire a caster with it. Hiring the druid is cheaper, but a druid may not be available.

/cevah

This is already included in DM Blake pricing. that why he has two different cost for the same item. Staffs actual require the minimum caster level for any spell be level 8 or more even 1st level ones.

PRD Wrote wrote:

Since different classes get access to certain spells at different levels, the prices for two characters to make the same item might actually be different. An item is only worth two times what the caster of the lowest possible level can make it for. Calculate the market price based on the lowest possible level caster, no matter who makes the item.

Note the bolded text does not support DM_Blake's multiple prices.

/cevah