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In 5 levels I'll be taking the Mounted Skirmisher feat.
You are adept at attacking from upon a swift moving steed.
Prerequisites: Ride rank 14, Mounted Combat, Trick Riding.
Benefit: If your mount moves its speed or less, you can still take a full-attack action.
Normal: If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can only take an attack action.
Since I can't wait to use it, I figured I'd ask a couple questions about it. Let's pretend my mount has a speed of 40. It seems the obvious use of this feat is to ride up to my foe and get a full attack. What about...
1) If I start my round adjacent to my foe. Can I full attack, and then ride 40 feet away? Provoking, of course, for both myself and my mount.
2) If I start my round 20 feet away from my foe, can I move up to him, full attack, and then ride away 20 feet? I'm not talking about charging. The Ride skill says that guiding my mount with my knees is a free action, and 20+20 would be my mount's speed.
Also, somewhat related, but not Mounted Skirmisher specific:
3) During the surprise round, can I ride up to my foe 40 feet away and get a single attack off?
What are your thoughts? My initial response is "Yes" to all 3, since Mounted Skirmisher doesn't specify when in the round my mount can move up to its speed.
In 5 levels I'll be taking the Mounted Skirmisher feat.
You are adept at attacking from upon a swift moving steed.
Prerequisites: Ride rank 14, Mounted Combat, Trick Riding.
Benefit: If your mount moves its speed or less, you can still take a full-attack action.
Normal: If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can only take an attack action.
Since I can't wait to use it, I figured I'd ask a couple questions about it. Let's pretend my mount has a speed of 40. It seems the obvious use of this feat is to ride up to my foe and get a full attack. What about...
1) If I start my round adjacent to my foe. Can I full attack, and then ride 40 feet away? Provoking, of course, for both myself and my mount.
2) If I start my round 20 feet away from my foe, can I move up to him, full attack, and then ride away 20 feet? I'm not talking about charging. The Ride skill says that guiding my mount with my knees is a free action, and 20+20 would be my mount's speed.
Also, somewhat related, but not Mounted Skirmisher specific:
3) During the surprise round, can I ride up to my foe 40 feet away and get a single attack off?
What are your thoughts? My initial response is "Yes" to all 3, since Mounted Skirmisher doesn't specify when in the round my mount can move up to its speed.
1.) You can already do this without the feat from what I understand. You just can't move THEN full-attack (without this feat).
"If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can only make a single melee attack. Essentially, you have to wait until the mount gets to your enemy before attacking, so you can't make a full attack. Even at your mount's full speed, you don't take any penalty on melee attacks while mounted."
It's not saying you can't make a full-attack and then have your mount use its move action.
2.) Yes. This feat lets you do what Ride-By Attack was meant to do (instead of being a completely useless ability by RAW since you can't actually ride-by during a charge).
3.) No. In a surprise round you only get one standard or one move action. I believe there is a feat that lets you take both in a surprise round.
Heavy dose of interpretation here, YGMMMV.
1) Yes, I believe so. I can't buy Alarox's argument since the same justification the bolded text uses to limit an end-of-round attack sequence to one attack can be easily used to limit a beginning-of-round attack sequence. But Mounted Skirmisher seems intended to lift that restriction.
2) I think this would require Ride-By Attack so that you could move and attack "as with a standard charge" and then move again. I doubt it's intended to let you do this otherwise, and Ride-By Attack is weird as it references charge when charge isn't really possible for a ride-by (you have to end in front of your target), so I'm the least confident about this answer RAW-wise. But that's how I'd play it, and I'm much more confident that it would play reasonably well.
3) Yes. The mount takes the move action, and you take the standard. You don't even need Mounted Skirmisher for this.
3) Yes. The mount takes the move action, and you take the standard. You don't even need Mounted Skirmisher for this.
Woops. Thought he asked if he could make a full-attack during the surprise round. Need to get my eyes checked...
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Thanks. #3 seemed the most clear, but figured I'd lump it into the same post.
Regarding #2, though, I'm not talking about charging. Just your standard, free action to guide my mount 20 feet, full-attack, and free action to guide it another 20 feet.
Cool, didn't know I could already do #1. That's spiffy.
Yeah, I'm definitely not confident about #2 for PFS.
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Nefreet, mounted comat tends to see some variance. My understanding with and without the feat:
1) without the feat, if you full attack, the mount can move a maximum of 5 feet. The mount could full attack or the reuse take a move and standard while you attack, then 5' after if eligible re: movement, subject to the rules on attacking with your war trained mount.
With the feat, you can full attack and then the mount could move up to 40 feet, provoking as usual. The mount could take a standard action during your full attack subject to the riding rule on attacking with your war trained mount.
2) You cannot do this without the feat. While you and your mount both get actions, they still take place in time. As described, the mount's first 20 feet of movement is a move action. You can take a move or standard while the mount moves. You can then attack as a standard. The mount can take a move or standard while you attack. You cannot interleave your actions with the mount's such that the total time exceeds two actions.
With the feat, you cannot do this. Normally, when the mount moves, you can take only one attack because you have to wait for the mount to arrive to attack. With the feat, you can full attack, but this consumes time; the mount can take a move or standard while you attack, subject to the riding rule on attacking with mount. Regardless of whether the mount takes such an an action, the mount cannot move a second time after your attacks. Doing so would have a total action sequence in time of move-pseudo full/standard-move.
3) Without the feat, you cannot do this without charging. The mount moves. You can take a move or standard while it is moving. Having waited for the mount to arrive, you have no time for your attack in the surprise round.
With the feat you cannot do this. Nothing in the feat addresses adding an action, just full attacking instead of standard attack
Note: these interpretations follow the 3.5 Rules of the Game articles, to which there is a link in my profile. The mounted combats are quite vague as written. I have no problem using the interpretations in PFS where they don't specifically conflict. YMMV.
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It is a free action to guide your mount. It is not a free action for your mount to move. Any interpretation of how the mount and rider overlap has to accommodate the idea that the events take place in time; in specific, as described by the idea that "if the mount moves, you have to wait for it to arrive, so get one attack only," (paraphrased).
You can take a standard WHILE the mount moves, but not before or after. A ranged attack while moving, a move action to manipulate equipment, etc., all good.
Is this explicit in RAW? No. Will you get variance? Yes. Violates PF guidelines on running RAW? No.
