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Ok, so I am going out of my usual areas of gameplay in an evil goblin campaign that is set to start soon for my group.
I have decided it would be neat to try out a Command Undead minions type of goblin and decided on cleric since "wordz am bad...no reed stuff!" eliminates wizards for RP reasons.
I was looking at the Undead Lord Archetype and found out that it is more or less a pain to keep spending 8 hours making an undead that is gonna die fairly quickly.
I really don't have a clue about what domains I should pick, if I should do a subdomain, feats that help, possibly multiclassing/prestige classes, etc.
Anyone have some ideas on builds? Also some ideas with the build on their role in the party would be really helpful. My GM is allowing most Paizo stuff (she is pretty cool about stuff).
I would love to start play with an undead minion if possible but it is not a requirement. I more or less wanted that for my backstory reasons but if I need to dig up some of my goblin predecessors at a later time and press them into service than so be it.
Any help would totally rock. Thanks.
How does one get the Haste component necessary to create fast zombies, as a cleric?
Use Remove Paralysis isntead.
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1. No god. If you want a god, pick Asmodeus and replace Travel with Trickery, which is an awesome domain as well.
2. As explained in the guide, Undead Master feat is a trap, or at least not as useful as it sounds.
Quoted: 'In the end, this feat basically buys you a very small amount of money: some number of 50 gp castings of Desecrate and possibly a 2nd level Pearl of Power. So, what, 5,000 gold max? If you’re looking to trade a feat for gold, just take Craft Wondrous Item and call it a day.'3. Selective channeling so you can protect your party-mates against your offensive use of channel.
4. A Staff of Command Undead is pretty important if you don't have the spell Command Undead, but you do have it from the Inevitable domain. So no must-have items, other than enough Onyx for Animate Dead.
Ok. Very good info. What is your opinion of the Trickery domain:deception subdomain? I like the alternate to copy cat where I pop around mysteriously when missed and I would get mirror image the spell as my 2nd level domain spell which would be more useful in the long run than just one image a few times a day I would think.
Any traits to look at for a goblin cleric doing this that comes to mind?
1. No god. If you want a god, pick Asmodeus and replace Travel with Trickery, which is an awesome domain as well.
2. As explained in the guide, Undead Master feat is a trap, or at least not as useful as it sounds.
Quoted: 'In the end, this feat basically buys you a very small amount of money: some number of 50 gp castings of Desecrate and possibly a 2nd level Pearl of Power. So, what, 5,000 gold max? If you’re looking to trade a feat for gold, just take Craft Wondrous Item and call it a day.'3. Selective channeling so you can protect your party-mates against your offensive use of channel.
4. A Staff of Command Undead is pretty important if you don't have the spell Command Undead, but you do have it from the Inevitable domain. So no must-have items, other than enough Onyx for Animate Dead.
Following this up, Selective Channel is a good feat at low levels, but at higher levels you're probably not going to offensively channel much, and you can probably retrain it into Improved Initiative.
The staff of Command Undead is indeed important if you don't get the wonky Law (Inevitable) domain, and it's not that expensive as magic items go. And you're not going to have many other "must-have" items, just make sure you have good armor because you're going to get focused at some point..and if you die, your minions run amok.
The feat build xmorsx posted is solid. Archery makes a very good secondary focus for a necromancer cleric.
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1. No god. If you want a god, pick Asmodeus and replace Travel with Trickery, which is an awesome domain as well.
2. As explained in the guide, Undead Master feat is a trap, or at least not as useful as it sounds.
Quoted: 'In the end, this feat basically buys you a very small amount of money: some number of 50 gp castings of Desecrate and possibly a 2nd level Pearl of Power. So, what, 5,000 gold max? If you’re looking to trade a feat for gold, just take Craft Wondrous Item and call it a day.'3. Selective channeling so you can protect your party-mates against your offensive use of channel.
4. A Staff of Command Undead is pretty important if you don't have the spell Command Undead, but you do have it from the Inevitable domain. So no must-have items, other than enough Onyx for Animate Dead.
Following this up, Selective Channel is a good feat at low levels, but at higher levels you're probably not going to offensively channel much, and you can probably retrain it into Improved Initiative.
The staff of Command Undead is indeed important if you don't get the wonky Law (Inevitable) domain, and it's not that expensive as magic items go. And you're not going to have many other "must-have" items, just make sure you have good armor because you're going to get focused at some point..and if you die, your minions run amok.
The feat build xmorsx posted is solid. Archery makes a very good secondary focus for a necromancer cleric.
I can't find the staff of command undead anywhere....can someone link it for me? I searched the PRD.
A few comments from the DM:
Fake Healer wasn't talking about the Undead Master feat, he was talking about Undead Lord the archetype, which among other things gives you a free Corpse Companion minion (hit die up to your level) for the price of an 8 hour ritual. It is not my intention to stiff the party on time, but I have given the players plenty of warning that they may occasionally have to work getting materials due to their being crazy evil goblins nobody in their right mind will deal with.
It should be noted that Fake Healer will probably not be playing the PC into higher levels, so builds that peak earlier are probably better.
A few comments from the DM:
Fake Healer wasn't talking about the Undead Master feat, he was talking about Undead Lord the archetype, which among other things gives you a free Corpse Companion minion (hit die up to your level) for the price of an 8 hour ritual. It is not my intention to stiff the party on time, but I have given the players plenty of warning that they may occasionally have to work getting materials due to their being crazy evil goblins nobody in their right mind will deal with.
It should be noted that Fake Healer will probably not be playing the PC into higher levels, so builds that peak earlier are probably better.
Goblins do have a tendency to get squished by adventurers, it's true. And my thoughts on the Undead Lord archetype are the same as ever, you simply give up too much to get a weak companion and a free feat. Necromancer types really get going at about level 5-7, when they can start creating their own skeletons and zombies without any assistance from the GM throwing them in their way. Basically when they can cast Animate Dead is when they start to really shine. I think the build XMorsX posted would be just fine, in any case, the character will be useful as a ranged combatant before level 5 and will continue to be so even later.
So getting the Onyx for Animate Dead and the silver dust for Desecrate could be an issue, but I think it can be worked around. Charm Person can make anyone like you long enough to go to the store and buy you some stuff and bring it back to your band skulking in the shadows. Theft is an option, and if threemilechild allows , Profession (miner) could be useful in searching for silver and onyx.