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well, my wife is a halfling, level 4, all abilities are 14 except int wis that is 10 and DM allow here to re-direct the level 4 ability to whatever she want.
she play a cavalier order of the dragon. but don't like it sadly.
she wrote so much RP background doc's that she don't want to change a character.
so - she need a plan :
what class suffer the least from 4 levels of dip of cavalier, she will keep the mount - wolf with horse master.

the reason the don't like the cavalier no more is that if not choosing a charger build - all other classes are better then the knight.
and while a charger is indeed a force of war - the charges are rarly optional.
DM allow her to re take all the feats.

now, your views on options:
1) lore warden - to gain maneuvers
2) monk - maneuver master
3) oracle of war - the 4 level loss will be severe ?
4) ranger?

The Exchange

Fighter, monk or even rogue would be awesome. check the cavalier build guides and don't forget boon companion.

Maybe even magus...


That's a tough situation, I'll be honest. 14/14/14/10/10/14 is just hard to work with.

You can't go monk or oracle, you don't have WIS, I doubt monk would fit the flavor of her character anyway. I suppose I would suggest a Lore Warden, and 14s in physical stats will at least do something good for you. Your extra feats will be a benefit to you.

My other suggestion is barbarian. +4 to Str and +4 con would go a long way towards beefing up her somewhat mediocre stats. The Extra Rage feat would be quite helpful as well, because you'd be able to rage for longer as you will be lacking a lot of barbarian class levels. Definitely grab raging vitality as well, then your stats during a rage are +4str/+6 con. Required.

Would not recommend maneuvers as a general strategy. That is something you really need to build your character around from the ground up, and even so, it has only fair results. Lore Warden is still great though, because of extra skill points.


Oh, and there's a rage power that lets your mount rage as well. Okay I would *definitely* go barbarian! Your feats will be raging vitality and extra rage. Ferocious Mount for your rage power. Look into Boon Companion later down the line and your usual combat feats like power attack.


awp832 wrote:

That's a tough situation, I'll be honest. 14/14/14/10/10/14 is just hard to work with.

You can't go monk or oracle, you don't have WIS, I doubt monk would fit the flavor of her character anyway. I suppose I would suggest a Lore Warden, and 14s in physical stats will at least do something good for you. Your extra feats will be a benefit to you.

My other suggestion is barbarian. +4 to Str and +4 con would go a long way towards beefing up her somewhat mediocre stats. The Extra Rage feat would be quite helpful as well, because you'd be able to rage for longer as you will be lacking a lot of barbarian class levels. Definitely grab raging vitality as well, then your stats during a rage are +4str/+6 con. Required.

Would not recommend maneuvers as a general strategy. That is something you really need to build your character around from the ground up, and even so, it has only fair results. Lore Warden is still great though, because of extra skill points.

It's 14,14,14,14,10,14 and an extra free point .

Also - why does oracle need wis at all?
Thing is - will 4 lvl dip to cavalier total ruin the oracle progress from now on ?

Grand Lodge

Retraining?


With these stats she is not going to deal tons of damage in battle. With that in mind, an interesting chice could be to continue with the Battle Herald prc.

First of all ask the Gm if she can take the Beast Rider archetype for a better mount. An Allosaurus would be nice. Take Boon Companion.

Take one lvl of Arcane Duelist Bard and then continue with the Battle Herald prc.

Take Teamwork feats with your companion. Work your way to Coordinated Charge. Leaderhsip is great for you if it is allowed, and the Magical Knack trait is useful even for the 1rst lvl spells that you have.

The Banner of the Ancient Kings is a very nice item for increasing the effectiveness of Inspire Courage.

For more info check this guide


great advice : )
a bit over whelmed by the full bard we already have....
although some forces can be combined.


Yeah, a 4-level dip in cavalier can be quite useful, seeing as the "horse master" feet lets you keep all mount progression at character level rather than class level.

It might depend greatly on what kind of character she wants to be playing, but what's her backstory? There are a TON of cool PrCs that can work well with cavalier. However, the DM utilimately chooses what PrCs are allowed.

I would reccomend Golden Legionnaires (good at defending/buffing allies), Mammoth Rider (maybe you can find someone to enlarge her wolf).

However, this might be a long-term thing if you choose PrCs. But what's nice about PrCs is that it allows you to multiclass a bit without too much loss (since you're working towards the PrC, and not the class's capstone ability).

Dont be afraid to take a few levels of fighter, or rogue, or anything else while working towards a PrC. Some DMs even lessen the PrC requirement when it fits the roleplay. PrCs will let you limit the "loss" of 4 levels, since they are on a base of 10 (rather than 20). I've made a few builds myself along those lines (IE, 4 levels of cavalier, X of something else, then prestige).

Stats so heavily balanced are VERY hard to play with sometimes. I would reccomend to:
a) Decide what direction is to be chosen for the future
b) Based on that direction, choose the best stat

Good luck bender, and I hope your wife can have fun with the character again.


666bender wrote:

great advice : )

a bit over whelmed by the full bard we already have....
although some forces can be combined.

No need to have the same bardic performance both of you at anytime. Also rember that Battle Herald is not a caster. He will fit just fine.


Go mammoth rider prc! Battle Herald until 10 (but Evangelist cleric instead of bard) and then into the prc to have a nice mount!

Dark Archive

Order of the Dragon Cavaliers and Samuarai are awesome even if you never get to ride your horse. A lot of people assume that since the class name is cavalier then it has to all be about the mounted combat. But cavalier is a really strong class that just happens to also get a full animal companion mount. Heavy armor, decent strength, and power attack, plus adding your level to you damage a couple times a day? Make a high crit build and you're doubling all that very often. And order of the dragon throws in the best part if bard on top of that, for free, without needing to use extra actions. Their level 8 ability is amazing, too.

My two sense is stick with cavalier, but don't let the mounted combat be the primary focus.

Grand Lodge

This is a hard question to answer, as you haven't really said precisely what the problem with the cavalier is. A cavalier doesn't have to be tied to their mount. A problem is that it's not the cavalier class that makes the non-mounted cavalier look weaker compared to other martial classes, it's the strength of 14. When you fight on foot, make sure you get your wolf into the fight as well, and you should do well as a team.

If you stick it out to Cavalier 5, you can pick up Wheeling Charge, which fixes many of the problems associated with Charging. Also, if you give your mount IUS & Dragon Style you can charge over difficult terrain.

Link to Wheeling Charge

Or you could retrain all your levels into Paladin as your charisma is not too bad. I wouldn't try to go full caster with a mental stat of only 14.

Alternatively, just ask your DM to allow you to alter the stats, or race.

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