Grappling and Unarmed Strikes and Touch Attacks and Spellstrike Oh my?


Rules Questions


Hey folks,

Building a Fighter (Unarmed Fighter)/Magus (Spire Defender)

So some questions here:

1) Does a successful grapple attempt allow for the delivering of touch attacks be they from a spell or from class/archetype ability?

2) Does a successful grapple attempt allow for the delivering of spells via Spellstrike?

3) Does a successful Unarmed Strike allow for the delivering of touch attacks be they from a spell or from class/archetype ability?

4) Does a successful Unarmed Strike allow for the delivering of spells via Spellstrike?

Thanks in advance :)

OH


1) No, Grapple is not a UAS/Nat.Wpn.
2) No, Grapple is not a light/1h weapon (or UAS/Nat.Wpn per FAQ) wielded in one hand/limb.
3) Yes.
4) Yes.

5) If you have Grab somehow (Tetori, Nat.Wpn+Lockjaw, etc) you can deliver Touch Spell via UAS/Nat.Wpn (Holding the Charge or Spellstrike) and said attack also triggers a Grapple check.


Thanks tons Quandary :)

OH


Quandary - your response to #3 - is that right? I don't think you can deliver a touch spell by doing a standard attack on a target, both dealing damage and delivering the spell. What's the point of spellstrike then? Was that your question for #3 OH?


The basic vanilla rules in the Combat chapter lay out how you can deliver touch spells via UAS/Nat. Wpns.
(Actions in Combat:Standard Actions:Cast a Spell:Touch Spells in Combat:Holding the Charge)
That is only when 'Holding the Charge' using distinct Attack/Full Attack/AoE 'actions',
not via the 'free attack' allowed by Spellcasting itself, which is a difference vs. Spellstrike.
The other benefit of Spellstrike is that you can do so with weapons which are better than UAS/Nat. Wpns by most metrics (esp. Crits),
(this was Spellstrike's entire function, limited to Lt/1h weapons in hand, until updated via FAQ to allow UAS/Claws)
and also that you can do this in combination with Spell Combat (tying into the previous point about free attacks vs. Holding the Charge)

My wording could have been better given the wording of his question re: Touch Attacks from Class Abilities,
per RAW that only applies to Touch SPELLS including SLAs, Su Class Abilities do not work that way with UAS/Nat.Wpns
(although there is some Feats that allow that, I believe... EDIT: e.g. Sorcerous Strike).

EDIT: I have no idea if some Su Touch Ability SHOULD also allow "Holding the Charge", I have no personal problem with that but the HtC rules specifically apply to Touch SPELLS which doesn't include Su abilities per RAW. In any case, those would need to be separately 'activated' (~cast) like Spells/SLAs (and Sorcerous Strike addresses that by changing the action to a Swift Action spent when you make an UAS attack).


My guy is using unarmed attacks as his weapon of choice for Magus if that helps at all.

OH

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