Diehard + Regeneration

[Baron Malkar]

What would happen to a character with the Regeneration monster quality, and the Diehard Feat when reduced to -Con modifier HP given the line in diehard that says "If your negative hit points are equal to or greater than your Constitution score, you immediately die."?

[mdt]

Baron Malkar wrote:

What would happen to a character with the Regeneration monster quality, and the Diehard Feat when reduced to -Con modifier HP given the line in diehard that says "If your negative hit points are equal to or greater than your Constitution score, you immediately die."?

They would fall over dead.

Then the regen ability would kick in, and keep healing them, and eventually they'd return to life again.

[Baron Malkar]

It is just that regeneration says "...but they cannot die as long as their regeneration is still functioning..."

[Samasboy1]

Well, that line in Diehard is just a reiteration of the normal rule that you die at -Con score. It is included since the feat states it works between 0 hp and dead.

The Regeneration quality still overrides this death and heals you, unless you are targeted by whatever turns off your Regeneration.

[mdt]

Yes, but they can go unconscious.

So basically, Die Hard only works to -con. After that, it's not effective.

[blahpers]

Makes sense. Even the Tarrasque stops moving for a moment when "killed".

[Bizbag]

Taking the Diehard feat won't *remove* your ability to survive "death" at -Con if Regeneration would save you.

They're both Specific rules that override the General rule concerning falling unconscious at -1 and dying at -Con, so their entries seem incongruous if you take them too literally. Diehard lets you act at negative HP, and Regeneration allows you to not die at -Con (unless defeated by fire/acid or whatever).

A Diehard Regenerator with a con of 20, at -19 HP, could take their move action and then regain HP, or could take their standard action, go to -20, and then regain HP.

Regeneration doesn't say whether anything different happens at -Con other than not dying, but I think it'd be fair to say that a Diehard Regenerator falls unconcious at -Con. Otherwise they'd be permanently in the fight until you got your torches lit.