...That's not going to utterly annihilate any encounter thrown at me but is still pretty good.
The stats I was lucky enough to roll go as such: 18, 18, 17, 16, 14, 10. Any order I choose.
I'm not completely without ideas. I figured mixing and matching Monk with a few things would be both fun and effective, while utilizing possibly enough stats to mitigate my high stat-itude.
All Paizo material acceptable. Campaign is Rise of the Runelords.
In order of ideas from most potential MADness to least, I was thinking:
Monk/Magus (Kensai)
Monk/Paladin (least desirable option to me for non-mechanical reasons. GM is very strict on Paladins and considers things like traps/ambushes an extension of lying)
Monk/Inquisitor
Monk/Cleric
Monk (Martial Artist or Aasimar)/Barbarian
Non-Monk ideas (in no particular order):
Gunslinger/Inquisitor
Bard/Barbarian (I can just taste the Courageous weapon now *salivates*)
Sorcerer/Wizard (Because shats and gaggles)
Any Arcane Caster/Cleric
Barbarian/Alchemist
Suggestions welcome, mostly this is here because it helps me to sound off ideas on other people. If you say "I don't like this option" and I defend it I may go "Actually...I like that one more than I think..."
I specifically want the NOT most OP option, lol.
I was already scaring my GM with the possibility of the Barbarian/Summoner Pouncing tag team. =)
The current idea that has my head the most is a Drunken Master Monk/Cleric or Inquisitor of Sun Wukong (Travel and Trickery Domains, going for Dimensional Dervish?).
Craft Wondrous gives me a good option for making the AoMF affordable, thankfully.
I THINK RotRL has enough downtime to support it, doesn't it?
Since my only other option is somehow getting Greater Magic Fang (only possible if I go Samsaran, which I suppose is an option, or picking a different god which kinda kills the fun).
Edit: Derp. Alignment restrictions grrr.
Suppose I have a few options for the unarmed drunkard, that being Martial Artist (not compatible with Drunken Master, sad faic), Unarmed or Brawler Fighter, or some option I don't see yet.
Maybe Cayden Cailean instead, going Aasimar so I can grab the trait for NG Monks.
Edit 2: Wait! It can make TN Monks too! Yusss.
I think that magus(kensai)/wizard (forsigth/divination), magus/ alkemist(vivisectionist) or monk/ninja or rogue sounds great. The magus have spelcombat that allows him to do two things at a time, combined with full wizard casting and what will be a insane initiativ is my favorite. If you can(i am unfamiliar with the full gestalt rules) take a level or 2 from the diviner and switch with monk.
Are you taking on the AP alone?
I am not, no. I'll be one of a party of 4 or 5, only one of whom has decided on their class (a Sorcerer/Alchemist).
It's a party with me as the most experienced player, one guy with an understanding of the rules but only one game played, and two complete newbies (though one if I recall properly plays/played 2nd Ed with his family).
As nobody really likes the heal/buff role all that much usually, and we already have Arcane magic covered, I think I may be stuck on the Monk/Inquisitor or Cleric (leaning Inquisitor ATM) idea both for thematics and utility.
As Cleric I'd take on the more traditional "Buff up the party, then wade in" approach whereas Inquisitor would fill more of the "Direct enemy attention to me and my buffed up self, then kick their ass" idea.
In either case I both protect the party (especially the newer players) and still get my jollies from knocking people around.
I like Inquisitor for a few reasons.
1.) I like Snake Style. +1/2 level to Sense Motive is sweeeeet. Even if I don't take Snake Style I like the skill. Not sure whether I want to go MoMS this time or not, though.
2.) Gives me a bit more combat prowess (including Wis to Initiative, which is awesome). Bane and Judgement are nice.
3.) The idea of a guy so devoted to the concepts being drunk and trickery that he plays "Fun Police" with the rest of his clergy is fwarking hilarious to me.
I also like Cleric for a couple, kind of obvious, reasons:
1.) Mo' spellcasting, less problems.
2.) Extra Domain. In particular, Decption for Sudden Shift would play into my Dimensional Dervish idea, with being able to teleport both at-will and whenever someone misses me (free flanks ahoy!).
I've also toyed with the idea of a Inquisitor/Cleric that beats people up with his Quarterstaff. Has many of the benefits of the above, and few of the drawbacks Monk brings (including my reluctance to make a Monk that uses a weapon instead of b+!##slapping people). It just doesn't have the same je ne sais quoi, though I'm kinda torn there too.
Sorry if it seems like I've asked for your help and then blown it off. I posted the thread in the throes of indecision, then browsed for possible Travel Domain gods I could use that weren't Abadar or Cayden Cailean. Sun Wukong jumped out at me and the idea's grabbed me. =)
On the bright side, I guess I've narrowed it to three options?
If you want the most MAD option, I suggest Ninja // any wis-based caster.
And going with a strength build, not weapon finesse.
Yar. Strength isn't an issue, really.
I thought about making a TWFing (with a Quarterstaff) Fighter/Cleric of Sun Wukon as well, since I have both the Str and Dex to pull it off.
Ninja could work too though. Hm.
SGG Magister/ SGG Dragonrider. Mostly just for the cool factor.
All Paizo available, not 3rd Party. =)
You can fix that with a printer, some scissors, and tape :)
Angelkin Brawler/Bard; all good saves, decent skills, fairly MAD, call it a Capoeira master and max out perform (dance).
Barbarian/Fighter; the indisputable king of melee DPR, minmax one weapon to ludicrous degrees and combine with rage. horrible saves but heavy Armor+Rage plus pounce.
Sorcerer/Fighter; anything from a brawling arcanist, to a wanna be spellcasting archer. the big issue, is casting in armor
Cleric/Fighter; a true battle cleric who specializes in their god's favored weapon
Summoning Cleric/Summoner; flood the battlefield like a true pokemon master
Sorcerer/Oracle; the true mystic theurge
Rogue/Wizard Arcane Trickster wish they were this skilled
Ninja/Bard pick up ninja themed spells and become a master assassin
Rogue/Inquisitor; see ninja/bard
Life Oracle/Fighter be both a fighter and a healer
I have a Cleric/Fighter of Sun Wukong made up entirely ATM.
I like the Domains and options I have (Dimensional Agility line starting at 9th will be fun) but there's something about the Quarterstaff I don't like. It just seems like a very meh weapon.
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Try a Rogue/Monk. Free TWF giving you time for skill monkey feats or for more combat stuff (piranha strike+butterfly sting perhaps). Halfling underfoot adept/filcher and you can be stealth running around the battlefield, stealing the foes magical gear, and tripping them to give your allies AoO's. The (debatably) ultimate non-caster party buffer (but it won't be as good as a caster buffer).
i see that OP is leaning strongly toward a diviner caster... i guess that makes my idea unlikely, but here it is anyways-
Aasimar (Plumekith), with the enlightened warrior trait
Monk [Drunken Master]/Barbarian [Drunken Brute (optional+ Brutal Pugilist or Invulnerable Rager)]
Str 17 (+1 @4th); Dex 20; Con 16; Int 14; Wis 20; Cha 10
full BAB, all good saves, 4+int skills (with good selection)
take the dragon style feats to up damage
i think Raging Drunk should make Drunken Ki a move action (and get you a free round of rage each time you use it), so that should be a nice combo. you could wear a holy symbol of Cayden (or whomever) and be a zealous follower but not be a caster.
on a different note (more inline with your leaning)- if you're still thinking about possibly going with an inquisitor, i like Ranger/Inquisitor both mechanically and thematically. you could make him a 'Gaston' type (sort of a drunken blowhard who happens to be a skilled enough hunter to back up the aplomb).
With ranger/inquisitor gestalt would you get two sets of spells/day or just the best progression? What about spell lists? Could you cast a spell only on the ranger list from first level instead of 4th?
With ranger/inquisitor gestalt would you get two sets of spells/day or just the best progression? What about spell lists? Could you cast a spell only on the ranger list from first level instead of 4th?
Multiple casters get separate spells per day allotments. Can't cast Ranger spells with Inquisitor slots and vice versa.
Monk/Evangelist of Irori.
You can pull out the restores and removes in 10 minutes with an open slot since you're a cleric. You get sermonic performance to fix flurry of misses, and you get to go around telling people that they should seek self perfection within themselves instead of constantly bothering you for healing.
I thought of this one too (though not the Evangelist part). Could be good too.
I'm on the fence on the two sets of spells/day. For arcane/devine or prepared/spontaneous I agree 100%, but when they are both the same it would seem to be the better of two abilities would come into play, just like with saves or BAB.
I'm on the fence on the two sets of spells/day. For arcane/devine or prepared/spontaneous I agree 100%, but when they are both the same it would seem to be the better of two abilities would come into play, just like with saves or BAB.
if Arcane/Divine or Prepared/Spontaneous are Valid Workarounds, why wouldn't
Ranger/Inquisitor
or
Cleric/Druid
you are doing the same thing either way
the classes all have different spellcasting lists from completely different sources.
there are different categories, even amongst arcane or divine
You get prepared divine casting with a specific progression, just like BAB. One is demonstrably greater than the other so just like with BAB you take the greater of the two. Divine prepared and arcane prepared are separate abilities so you get both.
You get prepared divine casting with a specific progression, just like BAB. One is demonstrably greater than the other so just like with BAB you take the greater of the two. Divine prepared and arcane prepared are separate abilities so you get both.
so you take away the gestalt from a ranger/inquisitor or cleric/druid?
but not a sorcerer/oracle?
spellcasting from 2 classes is tracked seperately, they do not combine in the way BAB does, and shouldn't be treated like BAB.
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I'm on the fence on the two sets of spells/day. For arcane/devine or prepared/spontaneous I agree 100%, but when they are both the same it would seem to be the better of two abilities would come into play, just like with saves or BAB.
Well why don't you get off the fence? It sounds like a terribly uncomfortable place to sit :)
Seriously though, Inquisitor spells are not BETTER than Ranger spells, just have a slower progression. Instant Enemy is a great ranger spell, but I doubt that the average inquisitor will be casting it. No 2 spell lists are explicitly better than the other, they just serve different purposes.
You get prepared divine casting with a specific progression, just like BAB. One is demonstrably greater than the other so just like with BAB you take the greater of the two. Divine prepared and arcane prepared are separate abilities so you get both.so you take away the gestalt from a ranger/inquisitor or cleric/druid?
but not a sorcerer/oracle?
spellcasting from 2 classes is tracked seperately, they do not combine in the way BAB does, and shouldn't be treated like BAB.
Meh, some gestalt combos are better than others.
I'm on the fence on the two sets of spells/day. For arcane/devine or prepared/spontaneous I agree 100%, but when they are both the same it would seem to be the better of two abilities would come into play, just like with saves or BAB.Well why don't you get off the fence? It sounds like a terribly uncomfortable place to sit :)
Seriously though, Inquisitor spells are not BETTER than Ranger spells, just have a slower progression. Instant Enemy is a great ranger spell, but I doubt that the average inquisitor will be casting it. No 2 spell lists are explicitly better than the other, they just serve different purposes.
See this is a different question entirely though. Spell List is not the same feature as Spells/day. There is a rules precedent to demonstrate the two are seperate. With spell trigger items (wands) you can activate any wand which contains a spell on your list even if you CANNOT cast spells AT ALL. So I would say that you get both spell lists (because they are different class features) but would only get one set of spell/day.
rangers prepare spells ahead of time like a cleric, inquisitors cast spontaneously- so, you regardless of any other arguments these two are clearly different types of casting and you'd get both. (though, really, unless two classes are offering the exact same casting you should get both... it really only comes up with prestige classes, like a wiz/EK wouldn't gain 2 casting levels)
rangers prepare spells ahead of time like a cleric, inquisitors cast spontaneously- so, you regardless of any other arguments these two are clearly different types of casting and you'd get both. (though, really, unless two classes are offering the exact same casting you should get both... it really only comes up with prestige classes, like a wiz/EK wouldn't gain 2 casting levels)
Yea, that's my bad on the inquisitor/spontaneous deal.