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My question, which was deferred here by my VL and VC and directed towards Mike Brock for a ruling in PFS: Does the boon, allowing a new character to be built using those rules from ISM, also allow me to retrain a current level 7 wizard's arcane school to a Thassilonian Arcane School? The wizard's current school is Conj, Teleportation, which is also my intended destination (Sloth). I will of course be following the rules outlined in the PFS guide and Ultimate Campaign regarding character retraining. My only hesitance is whether the Thassilonian Schools count as far as retraining an Arcane School goes, given possession of the boon granting access.
Thanks in advance,
Sean
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Sounds like it would fall under these rules:
Many choices you make about your class features can be retrained. It takes 5 days to retrain one class feature. Training requires spending time with a character of your class whose class level is at least 1 higher than yours and who has the class feature you want. For example, if you are a 5th-level illusionist wizard and want to become a necromancer, you must train with a necromancer of at least 6th level.
Retraining a class feature means you lose the old class feature and gain a new one that you could otherwise qualify for at that point in your level advancement. For example, if you want to retrain your paladin's fatigued mercy (which she gained at 3rd level), you can replace it only with another mercy from the 3rd-level list. If at 6th level you learned the sickened mercy (which is on the 3rd-level list), you may replace it with a mercy from the 3rd- or 6th-level list (because you are replacing a 6th-level mercy slot which you spent on a 3rd-level mercy).
The class feature you wish to retrain can't be one that you used as a prerequisite for a feat, class feature, archetype, prestige class, or other ability. You must retrain those elements separately before you can retrain this class feature.
If an archetype or variant class feature replaces the listed class feature, at the GM's discretion you may retrain that alternative class feature for an equivalent variant class feature. For example, inquisitions, which inquisitors can select in place of a domain, and the inquisitor entry below allows you to retrain your chosen domain, so you are allowed to instead retrain an inquisition, swapping it for a domain or another inquisition.
Class features you can retrain are as follows (some entries also call out other retraining options that are significant for the class in question, such as retraining feats for fighters, skill ranks for rogues, or spells known for sorcerers).
Alchemist: Retrain one discovery.
Antipaladin: Retrain one cruelty, or retrain your fiendish bond, replacing your bonded weapon for a fiendish servant or vice versa.
Barbarian: Retrain one rage power.
Bard: Retrain one type of Perform skill associated with your versatile performance class feature. See also retraining skill ranks and retraining spells known.
Cavalier: You can change your order. See also retraining feats.
Cleric: Retrain one domain; the new domain must be one granted by your deity. Doing so replaces your list of domain spells and your domain granted powers. If you are a neutral cleric of a neutral deity, you can instead retrain whether you channel positive or negative energy, which also changes whether you spontaneously cast cure spells or inflict spells.
Druid: Retrain your nature's bond, replacing your domain with an animal companion or vice versa. You can instead retrain one domain; the new domain must be available to your class or archetype. Doing so replaces your list of domain spells and your domain granted powers.
Fighter: Retrain one fighter weapon group you chose for your weapon training class feature. See also retraining feats.
Gunslinger: Retrain one firearm type you selected for gun training, or retrain one deed you selected for true grit. See also retraining feats.
Inquisitor: Retrain one domain; the new domain must be one granted by your deity or ethos. Doing so replaces your domain granted powers. See also retraining feats and retraining spells known.
Magus: Retrain one magus arcana.
Monk: See retraining feats.
Ninja: Retrain one ninja trick or master trick.
Oracle: Retrain one revelation. You can instead retrain whether you add all cure spells or all inflict spells to your spell list. See also retraining spells known.
Paladin: Retrain one mercy, or retrain your divine bond, replacing your bonded weapon with a bonded mount or vice versa.
Ranger: Retrain one favored enemy. This takes 5 days for each +2 bonus you have against the favored enemy you are replacing. You can instead retrain your combat style. This replaces all your current combat style bonus feats. This training takes 5 days for every combat style feat you are replacing. You can instead retrain one favored terrain. This training takes 5 days for each +2 bonus you have in the favored terrain you are replacing. You can instead retrain your hunter's bond, replacing your companions bond with an animal companion or vice versa. See also retraining feats.
Rogue: Retrain one rogue talent or advanced rogue talent.
Samurai: Retrain the weapon you chose for your weapon expertise class ability. You can change your samurai order. See also retraining feats.
Sorcerer: Retrain your bloodline. Doing so replaces your bonus spells, bloodline arcana, bloodline feats, and bloodline powers. This training takes 5 days for every bonus feat, bloodline arcana, and bloodline power you lose from changing bloodlines. See also retraining feats and retraining spells known.
Summoner: Retrain one eidolon evolution. You can instead retrain your eidolon's base form, but if the eidolon has an evolution that requires its original base form, you must first retrain that evolution in exchange for one without that requirement. See also retraining spells known.
Witch: Retrain one hex, major hex, or grand hex.
Wizard: Retrain your arcane bond by replacing one bonded item with another, replacing your bonded item with a familiar, or replacing your familiar with a bonded item. See also retraining feats. You can instead retrain your arcane school (including changing to or from a universalist). Doing so replaces your school's bonus spell slots and school powers. This training takes 5 days for every school power you lose from changing schools.
So.... Looks like it would cost 3500gp, and 5 Prestige? That's not a bad deal in my book. Good thing you're doing it at level 7, because it would cost double by level 8.
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On the note of 7th level vs 8th, in my case I don't plan on changing schools, thus there should be no powers being replaced. I believe that I'd only be faced with the minimum 5 day requirement since I'm changing the specialization feature of my chosen school, conjuration.
You already had evocation and illusion as opposition schools?
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Sean's been very cool about asking his question, which I appreciate since I'm one of the VOs he mentioned. I asked that he post his question here because I'm afraid what he's wanting to do isn't possible within the current rules for retraining, and don't want to see him do it now, and then have to fix it later.
The reason why I see the question to be particularly perplexing is because of the wording of the boon itself.
When building a new character for Pathfinder Society Organized Play, you may make use of the Thassilonian magic rules on page 17 of Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Magic.
A "new character." That's troubling. We have posts like this from Brock, stating that feats with the requirement "must be taken at level 1" cannot be retrained. And the language on this boon is similar. It's also similar to the language from the EOTS boon, which has been stated cannot be applied to a GM credit baby after that theoretical character is past level 1 (I can't find the link on this one, though).
So it seems like anything that has to be applied or decided upon at level 1 must be done at level 1, and can't be applied or changed to later. And given that, I don't think he'd be able to retrain.
A Brockian or Comptonian ruling would be appreciated, though.
I do agree with Sean that if legal, it should only be 5 pp, since he is only changing the specialization of his school and not the school itself.
