Steve Derouin
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i have two questions about warrior of holy light,
1st I have read through the forums and had mixed answers concerning the addition to an oath. EX(oath of vengeance) does the fact that the WHL block its spell abilities also prevent the Oath?
2nd Does the WHL also block you from getting spells from other classes?
Michael Sayre
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Oath Spells: A paladin's oath influences what magic she can perform. An oathbound paladin adds one spell to the paladin spell list at each paladin spell level she can cast (including spell levels for which she would only gain spells per day if her Charisma were high enough to grant bonus spells of that level). Her oath determines what spell is added to the spell list. If the paladin has multiple oaths, the spells from each oath are added to her spell list.
Warrior of the Holy Light: Power of Faith (Su): At 4th level, a warrior of the holy light learns to use the power of her faith to bolster her defenses and aid her allies. This class feature replaces the paladin's spells class feature.
Rules for Archetypes: A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the core class as another alternate class feature.
Since both Warrior of the Holy Light and the Oathbound archetype replace or alter the Paladin's spellcasting, it doesn't look like they're compatible.
It only replaces the Paladin's spellcasting though, so if you were to multiclass into another class like Sorcerer, you'd still be able to cast those spells.
Steve Derouin
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{topic 1]The issue is as i see it is,
Power of Faith (Su): At 4th level, a warrior of the holy light learns to use the power of her faith to bolster her defenses and aid her allies. This class feature replaces the paladin's spells class feature.
(A warrior of the holy light does not gain any spells or spell-casting abilities, does not have a caster level, and cannot use spell trigger or spell completion magic items.)
It does not say Paladin spells, or Paladin spell completion, or Paladin spell trigger item's. So according to the wording i don't see it as gain any spell casing from any class.
[Topic 2] Yes i see how the WHL and the oath bound Paladin are blocked, i feel this needs to be opened up for discussion because the wording of the WHL will prevent all spell casting from the WHL so the fact that the WHL losing a feature of the Oath bond Paladin so your not gain extra features your losing features. Inquisitor's in the same sense gain a domain but never the domain spells. The flavor of the WHL is a great concept, but i think blocking it from ever gain any Oaths i feel hurts a wonderful archetype.
This is why i brought it to the boards to see what the powers that rule the pathfinder would think and have to say about it.
Michael Sayre
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{topic 1]The issue is as i see it is,
Power of Faith (Su): At 4th level, a warrior of the holy light learns to use the power of her faith to bolster her defenses and aid her allies. This class feature replaces the paladin's spells class feature.
(A warrior of the holy light does not gain any spells or spell-casting abilities, does not have a caster level, and cannot use spell trigger or spell completion magic items.)
It does not say Paladin spells, or Paladin spell completion, or Paladin spell trigger item's. So according to the wording i don't see it as gain any spell casing from any class.
That's just... Totally wrong. It says it replaces the Paladin's Spells Class Feature. Spells is a class feature that certain classes, like the paladin, have. ONly that class feature has been replaced. It won't replace class features gained from other classes, as they have their own set of class features, and their own "Spells" class feature.
As to the second issue, it's worth talking about, but I wouldn't expect to see many changes. There's a lot of archetypes that don't jive with each other, and by and large the Pathfinder team has been content to leave it at that.
| Claxon |
No Warrior of the Holy Light does not prevent you from obtaining spell casting from other classes, only from the Paladin class.
As to whether you can take an Oath Archtype and Warrior of the Holy Light, I'm unsure. Oath archtypes add to the list of spells you can cast, if you could take it you would obviously still not be able to cast spells as a Warrior of the Holy Light. Since Oath archtypes modify spell casting they may conflict with WHL.
Hardline RAW it would seem you can't combine them.
As a GM, I'd probably allow it so long as the Oath archtype didn't replace the aura ability that is replaced by the 2nd WHL ability. You would still lose all spell-casting, but could gain the other features.