Retraining my Eidolon

[Quaseymoto]

In short, I made a stupid choice for my Eidolon's first two feats. Every session I'm regretting it more and more.

Assuming I have Ultimate Campaign, the Prestige, and the money, are either of the below options legal?

1) Retrain my Eidolon's base form. I know this is allowed but do I also get to buy new feats (and skills) when this occurs?

2) Retrain one of my Eidolon's feats just as I would my own?

The first option is preferred as it would obviously allow me re-train both feats (and some skills if I needed) for the same price (5 days).

Thanks in advance and I apologize if this has been answered 100 times already. All my searching of the forums, Additional Resources, and books could not reveal an answer.

[Mystic Lemur]

1) No. Your feat selections are locked once chosen. Says so right in the "Feat" section for building/advancing eidolons.

[EDIT]

PRD wrote:

Feats: This is the total number of feats possessed by an eidolon. Eidolons can select any feat that they qualify for, but they must possess the appropriate appendages to use some feats. Eidolon feats are set once chosen, even if the creature changes when the summoner gains a new level. If, due to changes, the eidolon no longer qualifies for a feat, the feat has no effect until the eidolon once again qualifies for the feat.

[/EDIT]

2) AFAIK, and I may be wrong, no. The retraining options only allow you to retrain a specific list of things, and I don't believe Eidolon Feats are on that list.

[Artanthos]

Mystic Lemur wrote:

1) No. Your feat selections are locked once chosen. Says so right in the "Feat" section for building/advancing eidolons.

[EDIT]

PRD wrote:

Feats: This is the total number of feats possessed by an eidolon. Eidolons can select any feat that they qualify for, but they must possess the appropriate appendages to use some feats. Eidolon feats are set once chosen, even if the creature changes when the summoner gains a new level. If, due to changes, the eidolon no longer qualifies for a feat, the feat has no effect until the eidolon once again qualifies for the feat.

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Written before retraining was an option.

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2) AFAIK, and I may be wrong, no. The retraining options only allow you to retrain a specific list of things, and I don't believe Eidolon Feats are on that list.

The retraining feats option does not specify the feat has to belong to the character as opposed to an animal companion or eidolon.

[Justin Sluder]

FAQ flagged and moving on.

[HangarFlying]

It's tough to say. Looking under the class features section, for which an Eidolon is a class feature of a Summoner, you can retrain a base form or evlolution.

Everything else refers to "you" as in the PC.

[Mystic Lemur]

Justin Sluder wrote:

FAQ flagged and moving on.

Good call. Doing the same.

[Vincent Takeda]

I havent read the retraining rules but if you can retrain your summoner to use a new archetype, take evolutionist from ultimate magic... at level 8 they can change an eidolons base form each time he levels...

[Quaseymoto]

Vincent Takeda wrote:

I havent read the retraining rules but if you can retrain your summoner to use a new archetype, take evolutionist from ultimate magic... at level 8 they can change an eidolons base form each time he levels...

Vincent, you can actually retrain to take a new Base form under Ultimate Campaign. The question would then be does taking a base form mean you can retrain the skills and feats?

It's not specified that it's a NEW eidolon, unlike say a Familiar or Animal Companion.

I'd assume yes but since this was a PFS question (thanks for moving it [/sarcasm]) I was hoping for support.

Thanks for the input though.