Merciful Healing question


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Ultimate Combat: Merciful Healer: Merciful Healing wrote:
Feats and effects that affect a paladin's mercy also affect this ability

Which feats and how?

Most Mercy Feats have "lay in hands" and "mercy class feature" as a prerequisite. Does this ability satisfy both prerequisites? How about if either is a prestige class prerequisite?

A paladin expends two uses of lay on hands to channel, do five channel attempts get expended to activate Ultimate Mercy?

When choosing Extra Mercy, does Merciful Healing clear two conditions at once (like it does for a Paladin), or does this just add one more Mercy to the Merciful Healer's toolbox?

How do these Feats work for multiclassed Cleric-Paladins? Do the Feats do double duty and affect both sets of abilities? Or is this a situation where you select which class they affect?

What other feats and affects?

Silver Crusade RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16

1 person? Only 1 has joined me in this? And no discussion? There are multiple threads asking about this, and there is a clear gap in the understanding of this ability and the short phrase quoted above, so help a brother out and let's get this cleared up.


Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan wrote:
Ultimate Combat: Merciful Healer: Merciful Healing wrote:
Feats and effects that affect a paladin's mercy also affect this ability

Which feats and how?

Most Mercy Feats have "lay in hands" and "mercy class feature" as a prerequisite. Does this ability satisfy both prerequisites? How about if either is a prestige class prerequisite?

A paladin expends two uses of lay on hands to channel, do five channel attempts get expended to activate Ultimate Mercy?

When choosing Extra Mercy, does Merciful Healing clear two conditions at once (like it does for a Paladin), or does this just add one more Mercy to the Merciful Healer's toolbox?

How do these Feats work for multiclassed Cleric-Paladins? Do the Feats do double duty and affect both sets of abilities? Or is this a situation where you select which class they affect?

What other feats and affects?

Which feats and how? I think all feats with mercy as a prerequisite, even if they also require the lay on hands class feature. Alternately as we like to say in our group, "what does hero lab allow?" hahaha.

Prestige class prerequisite - no. Lay on hands would specifically be required in my opinion.

Converting channels to lay on hands. Yes, five uses of channel energy could be used to activate Ultimate Mercy. However, your Paladin caster level would be zero meaning you would have to cast raise dead the same day as the death, hope you still have five uses left.

Extra Mercy. It just adds an additional mercy to the healer's toolbox. The Merciful Healers special ability here is to remove conditions from an increasing number of targets in their burst area, where the Paladin is able to remove an increasing number of conditions from single target.

I think the feats do double duty.

Having said all that, it's just the way I interrupt the rules, I'm certain there is a multitude of other ways of doing so making this a problematic archetype for PFS play. What the player is counting on could find huge variance between tables ruining their enjoyment of the class choice. Deserving of a FAQ.

Silver Crusade RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16

Ok Volg, since you're the only one to bite into this, how would you rule that Greater Mercy works?

An additional d6 of healing if no one has a condition to be cleared?

Silver Crusade RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8

Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan wrote:
Ultimate Combat: Merciful Healer: Merciful Healing wrote:
Feats and effects that affect a paladin's mercy also affect this ability
Which feats and how?

They haven't written any yet. This ability was written with forwards compatability in mind (which I really appreciate).

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greysector wrote:
Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan wrote:
Ultimate Combat: Merciful Healer: Merciful Healing wrote:
Feats and effects that affect a paladin's mercy also affect this ability
Which feats and how?
They haven't written any yet. This ability was written with forwards compatability in mind (which I really appreciate).

Huh? What? There are several: Extra Mercy, Greater Mercy, and Ultimate Mercy, for starters.

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Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan wrote:
Huh? What? There are several: Extra Mercy, Greater Mercy, and Ultimate Mercy, for starters.

You can't get those unless you already have lay on hands, which a Merciful Healer cleric does not without multiclassing.

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Just because it doesn't do anything now doesn't mean it may not later. The text does leave the door open for something that affects mercies and doesn't reference the lay on hands class feature as the other current mercy items/feats do.

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David Higaki wrote:
Just because it doesn't do anything now doesn't mean it may not later. The text does leave the door open for something that affects mercies and doesn't reference the lay on hands class feature as the other current mercy items/feats do.

I'm of the opinion that it was intended to reference the other Feats I mentioned, which is why the FAQ request.

Stating that Feats which affect a Paladin's Mercy's also apply, but then requiring one to have Lay On Hands, which is a prerequisite for Mercies anyways is silly.

If you'd like to help out, just please punch the FAQ button.

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Does anyone have anything to add to this discussion, even if it's just another vote to make this a FAQ candidate?

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