Does Discordant Voice and Lingering Performance work together?

[Thymus Vulgaris]

This problem came up in yesterday's campaign, and my GM gave me the homework to figure it out:
If a bard has the Discordant Voice feat, all allies within 30 ft deal an additional 1d6 of sonic damage per hit they land during his bardic performances.

If he also has the Lingering Performance feat, does Discordant Voice still work during the 2 extra rounds that the performance is in effect after he stops performing?

Discordant Voice:

Discordant Voice
By singing out a precise tone, you cause discordant vibrations to run through allies’ weapons.

Prerequisites: Bardic performance class feature, Perform (oratory or sing) 10 ranks.

Benefit: Whenever you are using bardic performance to create a spell-like or supernatural effect, allies within 30 feet of you deal an extra 1d6 points of sonic damage with successful weapon attacks. This damage stacks with other energy damage a weapon might deal. Projectile weapons bestow this extra damage on their ammunition, but the extra damage is dealt only if the projectile hits a target within 30 feet of you.

Lingering Performance:

Lingering Performance
The effects of your bardic performance carry on, even after you have stopped performing.

Prerequisite: Bardic performance class feature.

Benefit: The bonuses and penalties from your bardic performance continue for 2 rounds after you cease performing. Any other requirement, such as range or specific conditions, must still be met for the effect to continue. If you begin a new bardic performance during this time, the effects of the previous performance immediately cease.

[Graeme]

I would say no it doesn't.

Discordant Voice is dependent on you using a bardic performance to create a spell-like or supernatural effect. Lingering Performance only comes into play after you cease performing.

So, the bonuses and penalties of the bardic performance continue for 2 rounds, but you're not using bardic performance for those 2 rounds so Discordant Voice doesn't come into play.

[TGMaxMaxer]

Depends on whether you call something that adds extra damage while you perform a bonus or penalty.

I read it as Discordant Voice alters the bardic performance by adding bonus damage to all of them. All bardic performances I can find are (Sp) of (Su), so as long as the 30ft requirement is maintained, it should last as long as the other bonuses.

[Graeme]

TGMaxMaxer wrote:

Depends on whether you call something that adds extra damage while you perform a bonus or penalty.

That was my first reaction, too, but then I looked more closely and Lingering Performance clearly states that the effects continue after you end your performance. Since Discordant Voice states it has the effect while you are performing, I took that to mean that it won't do the extra damage once you've finished, even if the effects of the bardic performance itself continue.

However, I agree it's arguable either way. My view is that bonus and penalty have a specific meaning in Pathfinder, and extra damage is neither.

TGMaxMaxer wrote:

I read it as Discordant Voice alters the bardic performance by adding bonus damage to all of them. All bardic performances I can find are (Sp) of (Su), so as long as the 30ft requirement is maintained, it should last as long as the other bonuses.

While most bardic performances are (Sp) or (Su), some of the archetypes have (Ex) bardic performances (eg. the Berserkergang performance of the Savage Skald archetype).

[PrinceDogWaterIII]

Yes. There isn't any reason why the two feats shouldn't work together.

[El Rodro]

Given the definition of bonus:

Bonus:

Bonus: Bonuses are numerical values that are added to checks and statistical scores. Most bonuses have a type, and as a general rule, bonuses of the same type are not cumulative (do not “stack”)—only the greater bonus granted applies.

I'd assume that the Discordant Voice extra damage is not a "numerical value added to a check" but an extra damage die, therefore both effects are not cumulative.

[Thymus Vulgaris]

Wow, I never actually wrote back to any of the answers I got in this old thread? That's shameful... Well, thank you all for your inputs even if it's late. We ended up playing it as Discordant Voice still being in effect when Lingering Performance takes over.

And to adress the necro:

El Rodro wrote:

Given the definition of bonus:

** spoiler omitted **

I'd assume that the Discordant Voice extra damage is not a "numerical value added to a check" but an extra damage die, therefore both effects are not cumulative.

Then again, you'll notice that description of LP says that "The effects of your bardic performance carry on, even after you have stopped performing." And an extra die of damage certainly does seem to be an effect to me.

(In before "but Thymus, that's just the fluff that says effects, not the actual crunch!")