Saving Shield and Bodyguard: A Query on Interaction and Priority

[Kryptik]

Greetings friends.

Let us say that a nobleman has a guard with him, that uses a shield. That guard has the Saving Shield and Bodyguard feats.

Let us say someone attacks the noble, and the guard is adjacent to the noble. This could possibly trigger either or both actions, and I want to figure out what the legit ruling is here.

So, as per Saving Shield, the guard can use an immediate action to grant the noble a +2 Shield bonus to AC.

However, Bodyguard is also possibly triggered when the assassin attacks the noble, specifically in that the attack triggers an AoO from the guard so he can specifically grant him the +2 bonus to AC from Aid Another, assuming the guard succeeds on his attack roll of AC 10.

Attacks of Opportunity (such as that of Bodyguard) interrupt the normal flow of attacks in a round, and resolve immediately. Immediate actions (such as that of Saving Shield)may be performed at any time.

My question is this: what happens first? It seems as though Bodyguard would kick in first as it is linked to an AoO, but the question then becomes, can the guard still use his immediate action to grant an additional +2 Shield AC to the noble, or is it too late at that point?

Or can he use the immediate action before the AoO?

Thanks for any insight or relevant ruling references!

[Kryptik]

Assuming the guard can use both feats, that's a +4 AC to the noble, which is pretty nifty.

[Name Violation]

cant use an immediate action if flat footed

you can use both, but there shouldnt be any difference in which happens first

[Kryptik]

Combat Reflexes (Combat)
You can make additional attacks of opportunity.

Benefit: You may make a number of additional attacks of opportunity per round equal to your Dexterity bonus. With this feat, you may also make attacks of opportunity while flat-footed.

Combat Reflexes is a prereq. to Bodyguard.

[Kryptik]

Posted this late, didn't stop to think you were referencing Saving Shield. My apologies.

So, only Bodyguard before he can act normally the first time.

[Seraphimpunk]

flat-footed wrote:

Flat-Footed: A character who has not yet acted during a combat is flat-footed, unable to react normally to the situation. A flat-footed character loses his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) and cannot make attacks of opportunity.

if combat reflexes allows you to take attacks of opportunity, and you've got uncanny dodge, would you ever really qualify as "flat-footed", since you've reversed the two game conditions that define flat-footed?

if so, then a character with combat reflexes and uncanny dodge can use immediate actions before their turn. as they're never flat-footed.

[Name Violation]

Kryptik wrote:

Combat Reflexes (Combat)

You can make additional attacks of opportunity.

Benefit: You may make a number of additional attacks of opportunity per round equal to your Dexterity bonus. With this feat, you may also make attacks of opportunity while flat-footed.

Combat Reflexes is a prereq. to Bodyguard.

iment the immediate action for saving shield

bodyguard is ok

[Seraphimpunk]

i know bodyguard is okay. i'm positing that there's a way for both to work, through Combat Reflexes and Uncanny Dodge.

[Kryptik]

Name Violation wrote:

Kryptik wrote:

Combat Reflexes (Combat)

You can make additional attacks of opportunity.

Benefit: You may make a number of additional attacks of opportunity per round equal to your Dexterity bonus. With this feat, you may also make attacks of opportunity while flat-footed.

Combat Reflexes is a prereq. to Bodyguard.

iment the immediate action for saving shield

bodyguard is ok

Yeah, if you scroll up I posted that I had a total brain freeze. Apologies for the error.

[Name Violation]

don't forget you can boost that 2 a lot higher if you really want. there are traits and armour abilities that help

[Kryptik]

Thank you for the tip! I will certainly look into it.