Grappled by creature with blur


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So, a Monk gets grappled by a creature with a 20% concealment blur effect (or how about multiple mirror images). Does he have to roll that miss chance per UAS hit?

The grappled condition has the following statement: "A grappled creature cannot use Stealth to hide from the creature grappling it, even if a special ability, such as hide in plain sight, would normally allow it to do so. If a grappled creature becomes invisible, through a spell or other ability, it gains a +2 circumstance bonus on its CMD to avoid being grappled, but receives no other benefit."

Also note that a grappler gains the grappled condition as well as the grapplee.


I would say no, you don't get the miss chance.

It's not specifically spelled out in the rules, but it's a) common sense, as you feel the enemy and know where he is and b) Invisibility doesn't give it's 50% miss chance, and blur is less powerful effect really, so it would be odd if that gave it.


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RAW, it would, but I'd definitely say that wasn't the intent.


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Hey, you could just close your eyes, therefore make everything invisible to you, and ignore the blur, if the GM wants to be a dick about it ;)


FAQ'd (what Sky said, and I'm curious if it doesn't work does it give a +1 to CMD vs grapple or something, since Invis didn't work but gave a +2CMD vs grapple)


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Seeing as grappling is the equivalent of my laying a hand on your shoulder, I think concealment would definitely apply. Hitting your enemy is hardly a given.

Pinning on the other hand is more like a full body Roman-greco hold.

Where would you draw the line anyways? If you could ignore the concealment, why couldn't you ignore the attack roll using the exact same logic? Oh wait, you can, it's called the grapple check to deal damage.


If there was an invisible appendage holding onto my shoulder, I should be able to at least attack it w/o the concealment penalty. And since Pathfinder doesn't generally make a distinction with attacking specific body parts, an attack on that appendage would hurt it's overall HP. Most of the time, a grappling creature is pulling you up to it's body. How could not hit it (assuming a high enough attack roll). But, on the other hand, I can see it applying if grappled by a vine around your ankle. The only place you would be assured of targeting accurately would be the bit of vine encircling your ankle. That could hurt you if you hit or miss it on the attack.


The game rules, barring optional rules, typically don't allow for called shots or aiming at limbs. Knowing where someone has a hold of you, is completely different from knowing where they and connecting solidly if going after an invisible attacker. You would absolutely have a good idea in comparison to someone not being grappled, but that doesn't mean you're guaranteed to make an effective attack on such a target.

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