Ferocious Mount + Eidolon


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If I can ride an Eidolon as a mount and I have the Ferocious Mount rage power, could I grant the Eidolon the benefit of my rage while riding it or adjacent to it?

Scarab Sages

Looks like it.

I never noticed it before, but that power is actually very poorly worded:

"Ferocious Mount (Ex): While raging and mounted, the barbarian's mount also gains the benefits of rage (including greater rage and mighty rage) as long as the barbarian is mounted or adjacent to it. While her mount is raging in this way, she must spend one additional round of rage per round. She can elect not to pay this cost, in which case her mount does not rage."

So, if the Barbarian is raging and mounted while adjacent to his mount he grants it rage...?

Is he riding another animal adjacent to his mount? How can he be mounted if he's adjacent to his mount? Is it still his mount if he's not actually riding it?

I suspect that this power was meant to have some capitol M Mount references in it for the Mounted Fury's Mount, and that some editing shenanigans threw off the original intent of the power.


I had imagined it meant that if you purchased an animal for a mount or had an animal companion, if you raged and were currently riding the animal OR you were adjacent to the animal, you could share the rage. Since Eidolons have a mount evolution, I had wondered if this extended to Eidolons.


Furtherore can a synthesist summoner take the mount evolution and thereby be trapped inside the shell of a mountworthy eidolon then become the barbarians raging synthesis summoner mount? That might make synthesis summoners almost playable... Nothing says powerful like being 'the thing the angry hairy manchild sits on when he throws his tantrums'...

Come on gm. you're always hapring on us to work as a team...


Vincent Takeda wrote:

Furtherore can a synthesist summoner take the mount evolution and thereby be trapped inside the shell of a mountworthy eidolon then become the barbarians raging synthesis summoner mount? That might make synthesis summoners almost playable... Nothing says powerful like being 'the thing the angry hairy manchild sits on when he throws his tantrums'...

Come on gm. you're always hapring on us to work as a team...

Only if the two of you, in character, say "Mecha Shiva, Mecha Shiva!" while doing so.


FanaticRat wrote:
Only if the two of you, in character, say "Mecha Shiva, Mecha Shiva!" while doing so.

But androids can't benefit from morale bonuses.

Anyway, the ferocious mount power, while clearly something to be used by Mounted Furies, does not entirely seem like it was meant only for them. It is perfectly possible to take the rage power without the archetypes. I guess the idea was that you just spent your time and money acquiring powerful mounts (easy enough if you have a druid to summon and pacify them with spells)

Thinking about it, druids could also technically benefit from this rage power.

Scarab Sages

lemeres wrote:
FanaticRat wrote:
Only if the two of you, in character, say "Mecha Shiva, Mecha Shiva!" while doing so.

But androids can't benefit from morale bonuses.

Anyway, the ferocious mount power, while clearly something to be used by Mounted Furies, does not entirely seem like it was meant only for them. It is perfectly possible to take the rage power without the archetypes. I guess the idea was that you just spent your time and money acquiring powerful mounts (easy enough if you have a druid to summon and pacify them with spells)

Thinking about it, druids could also technically benefit from this rage power.

I never thought that it was limited to Mounted Fury, just that its original intent probably involved some capitol M mounts in there that were reduced to lower-case m mounts to make the material more accessible, but creating the weird confluence of a Barbarian sitting on one horse somehow being able to make the horse standing next to them rage if he can somehow claim that it too is his mount..... Though I would think the act of being mounted on a creature is what would designate it as your mount.... There's just some issues with the wording of the power.

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