Touch Spells and Natural Attack


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I got a few questions about a druid I'm building. The idea is a Blight Druid who is in elemental shape most of the time, using his natural attacks to deliver touch spells and his touch of darkness domain power.

1. Can you deliver a held touch spell with a natural attack?
2. Can an amulet of mighty fist have the spell storing and/or conductive abilities?
2.1. If yes, can the normal touch attack used to deliver a touch spell trigger a stored spell or conducted domain power?
2.2. If yes, can I hit an enemy with a held touch spell, a stored touch spell (or non-touch spell) and a conducted domain power in one attack?
3. Can you recharge a spell storing amulet of migthy fist while it's merged into your wildshape form?


Blave wrote:

I got a few questions about a druid I'm building. The idea is a Blight Druid who is in elemental shape most of the time, using his natural attacks to deliver touch spells and his touch of darkness domain power.

1. Can you deliver a held touch spell with a natural attack?

I could have sworn there was a rule somewhere that allowed you to use Unarmed Strikes and Natural Attacks to deliver touch spells (though they attacked normal AC), but I can't find it.

I'll keep looking and...AHA! Found it.

Holding The Charge wrote:
If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates. You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action. Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren't considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack normally doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack. If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge.

So yes.

Blave wrote:

2. Can an amulet of mighty fist have the spell storing and/or conductive abilities?

2.1. If yes, can the normal touch attack used to deliver a touch spell trigger a stored spell or conducted domain power?

Should work, yeah. Both can be placed on melee weapons, and an AoMF works the same as a magic weapon, except twice as expensive.

Blave wrote:
2.2. If yes, can I hit an enemy with a held touch spell, a stored touch spell (or non-touch spell) and a conducted domain power in one attack?

I don't see why not.

You take a Standard to cast the spell, then deliver it as a Natural Attack. On hit, you can take a Free action to release your Stored spell, and use no action to expend 2 uses of your Touch of Darkness to trigger it.

Probably not the best use of your action though, it all relies on 1 pretty low to-hit attack connecting, and eats your resources fast.

3. Can you recharge a spell storing amulet of migthy fist while it's merged into your wildshape form?


Ah, I knew I saw the ruling considering touch spells and natural attacks somewhere. Silly me, I was looking in the magic chapter but it's - obviously - a combat rule. ... Boy, those rules need to be arranged better...
Anyway, thanks Rynjin!

Rynjin wrote:
You take a Standard to cast the spell, then deliver it as a Natural Attack. On hit, you can take a Free action to release your Stored spell, and use no action to expend 2 uses of your Touch of Darkness to trigger it.

I don't think it's possible to use a natural attack to deliver the thouch spell in the round it's cast. The way I read it, this option opens up only when you are holding the charge already.

Rynjin wrote:
Probably not the best use of your action though, it all relies on 1 pretty low to-hit attack connecting, and eats your resources fast.

A druid with some strength in wildshape with greater magic fang actually has a decent chance to hit. The free Blindfight feat from the darkness domain should help occasionally, too. And (with a pre-cast touch spell) being able to hit an enemy with a full attack* plus the held charge plus the stored spell plus touch of darkness in a single round doesn't sound like bad action economy to me. I even have my swift action to spare so I could add a quickened spell on top of that.

It's nothing you'd do every combat, of course. More of an all-out nova I'm-gonna-mess-you-up attack.

*Come to think of it: When I have multiple natural attacks, any one of them can deliver a held charge, right?

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