Wild Rager / Ninja aka "Ninjerker"


Advice

Lantern Lodge

Greetings,
I am making a damage-dealing character that takes advantage of two separate gimmicks. This character will be using both wild-fighting/ki pool to gain up to 3 attacks by level 5 in a full attack. And taking advantage of shatter defenses to supplement my damage. I plan to switch between throwing shuriken and going into melee with a scythe.

Race: Half-Orc
Stats: 15 point buy
Str: 17
Dex: 14
Con: 14
Int: 7
Wis: 10
Cha: 12
Favored Class: Ninja
Class Archetypes: Wild Rager(Barbarian)

Traits: Scrapper/Indomitable Faith
Lvl 1: Barb 1; Feat: Power Attack
Lvl 2: Barb 2; Rage Power: Intimidating Glare
Lvl 3: Ninj 1; Feat: Iron Will
Lvl 4: Ninj 2; Ninja Trick: Weapon Focus (Scythe)
Lvl 5: Ninj 3; Feat: Dazzling Display
Lvl 6: Ninj 4; Ninja Trick: Shadow Clone
Lvl 7: Barb 3; Feat: Shatter Defenses
Lvl 8+: Ninj;

A cloak of resistance and a necklace of ki serenity are must haves for this character. Are there any other suggestions for gear?

A question about Shatter Defenses/Dazzling display: Do I have to use the weapon I have weapon focus in at any point? Would I have to use the focused weapon in conjuction with dazzling display? Would I have to use it to take advantage of shatter defenses? Can I make a display with a scythe then make sneak attacks with shuriken?

Grand Lodge

How will you deal with confusion?

With a charisma higher than your wisdom, this will happen often.

Lantern Lodge

blackbloodtroll wrote:

How will you deal with confusion?

With a charisma higher than your wisdom, this will happen often.

At earlier levels I plan on not raging until there's only one enemy left. The Save DC will top out at 14 at lvl 7 and my naked will save would be +7 by then.


This could work... Though it has a horrible build name.

Scarab Sages

I have to ditto Azaelas... On both counts. Maybe Ninbarian or Ninjarian would have been a better way to go.....


Ssalarn wrote:
I have to ditto Azaelas... On both counts. Maybe Ninbarian or Ninjarian would have been a better way to go.....

Berserja... Wait that is a type of Dessert Soup...

My normal GM is still laughing hard... Gotta love the Mute Function on our video chat site. She isn't even the worst of the Perverted Chicks we got.

Grand Lodge

"And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom."

Now, the hand lotion and box of tissues.

Grand Lodge

I do not like the intimidating glare rage power for this. Thematically it's cool but it's such a weak RP. Also, look into the Cornugon Smash feat. It saves you action economy on not using Dazzling Display.

Lantern Lodge

Ssalarn wrote:
I have to ditto Azaelas... On both counts. Maybe Ninbarian or Ninjarian would have been a better way to go.....
Azaelas Fayth wrote:

Berserja... Wait that is a type of Dessert Soup...

My normal GM is still laughing hard... Gotta love the Mute Function on our video chat site. She isn't even the worst of the Perverted Chicks we got.

Thanks for your input, but I don't believe these options would work for me.

Kiinyan wrote:
I do not like the intimidating glare rage power for this. Thematically it's cool but it's such a weak RP. Also, look into the Cornugon Smash feat. It saves you action economy on not using Dazzling Display.

Sadly, I only have access to OGL material. Do you have any other suggestions for 2nd level rage powers?

But I have access to some 3.5

I am likely to take weapon focus for shuriken instead of scythes. I feel I am more likely to need the sneak dice at range, even shuriken range. But I can activate shatter defenses with shuriken and either full attack with shuriken next round or the round after.

Is there any gear that facilitates intimidation?

Grand Lodge

Cornugon Smash is Pathfinder.

Grand Lodge

I still can't accept that this isn't a build around someone who really enjoys themselves whilst reading Anaïs Nin's Female Erotica.


BrotherBen wrote:
... I can activate shatter defenses with shuriken...

Wow, that just gave me a laugh... "OMG HE HIT ME WITH A SHURIKEN!!! IT'S IN THE BONE!!! OMG IT'S IN THE BONE IT HURTS SO MUCH!!! *CRIES*"

Grand Lodge

IMO...

Mixing any kind of Rage powers with 'eastern' philosophies or fighting styles is wrong and conceptually should be avoided.

It makes no sense...

Lantern Lodge

Kazaan wrote:
BrotherBen wrote:
... I can activate shatter defenses with shuriken...
Wow, that just gave me a laugh... "OMG HE HIT ME WITH A SHURIKEN!!! IT'S IN THE BONE!!! OMG IT'S IN THE BONE IT HURTS SO MUCH!!! *CRIES*"

My battle cry is "Sneak Attack!"


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Azmyth wrote:

IMO...

Mixing any kind of Rage powers with 'eastern' philosophies or fighting styles is wrong and conceptually should be avoided.

It makes no sense...

Only if you fall prey to the stereotype that "Barbarian Rage" equates to slathering, animalistic "hulk smash" mode. While that is a valid view, it's only one possibility and "rage" can just as well be achieved by other descriptions of "battle trance" where people are on record as going above and beyond their normal limits in moments of stress. A mother lifting a heavy car off her child is experiencing "Barbarian Rage", sans flying spittle and howling for the blood of her enemies.

It's quite feasible and believable to have a Ninja/Barbarian experience a "rage" when in the midst of combat. It's practically a spiritual, out-of-body experience to remove all ego and id from the equation and be fighting solely on the drive of the super-ego; you become a completely different person and, for a few moments, realize that your "natural limitations" are like an illusion or mirage and are able to function in complete disregard of them in completely cold focus that transcends morality.

In other words, your opinion stems from a prejudice brought on by a mundane and shallow understanding of the real-life matters that the "Barbarian" class represents.


Conan Hyabusa?

I agree with Kazaan 100%. People get so caught up with the name of things that they miss out on the possibility of some great concepts. The ninja and samurai can be treated just like any other stealth or fighty type if you look at the mechanics instead of the names for those mechanics.

Beside that point, fantasy games (that may even have Asian influence), do not have to be historically accurate. Same thing with gunslingers... Just because they didn't exist in medieval periods that were the inspiration for many settings, doesn't mean that they cant exist thematically in that particular fantasy setting.

Space marines and old world Vikings... Now that is a stretch... (Unless you are reading Warhammer 40K and the Space Wolves omnibus).

Lantern Lodge

Kazaan wrote:


Only if you fall prey to the stereotype that "Barbarian Rage" equates to slathering, animalistic "hulk smash" mode. While that is a valid view, it's only one possibility and "rage" can just as well be achieved by other descriptions of "battle trance" where people are on record as going above and beyond their normal limits in moments of stress. A mother lifting a heavy car off her child is experiencing "Barbarian Rage", sans flying spittle and howling for the blood of her enemies.

It's quite feasible and believable to have a Ninja/Barbarian experience a "rage" when in the midst of combat. It's praor mirage and are able to function in complete disregard of them in completely cold focus that transcends morality.

In other words, your opinion stems from a prejudice brought on by a mundane and shallow understanding of the real-life matters that the "Barbarian" class represents.

Byrdology wrote:

Conan Hyabusa?

I agree with Kazaan 100%. People get so caught up with the name of things that they miss out on the possibility of some great concepts. The ninja and samurai can be treated just like any other stealth or fighty type if you look at the mechanics instead of the names for those mechanics.

Beside that point, fantasy games (that may even have Asian influence), do not have to be historically accurate. Same thing with gunslingers... Just because they didn't exist in medieval periods that were the inspiration for many settings, doesn't mean that they cant exist thematically in that particular fantasy setting.

Thank you both for the insight. I like playing barbarians and I envision rage differently for each one I roll. I also have a dervish dancer/urbarb who I envision as a graceful whirlwind of death with a dance that emulates the fury of a sandstorm. Another barbarian's rage is like smouldering inexorable magma.

This one walks the balance of the aforementioned slathering savagery and calculating ruthlessness. He is a paragon of yin and yang.

I am likely to drop dex to 12 and raise wis and cha to 12 and 13 respectively.


Have you looked through the multitude of options at d20pfsrd.com?

Lantern Lodge

Azaelas Fayth wrote:
Have you looked through the multitude of options at d20pfsrd.com?

I've been doing research limiting myself to what options pc's in the campaign is allowed access to. (CRB, APG, UM, UCom, UCam, UE, & various 3.5) The purpose of this post is to supplement my knowledge by crowdsourcing.

The final stat array will likely be:
Str: 17
Dex: 12
Con: 14
Int: 8
Wis: 10
Cha: 13

The key skills, in order of importance, are: Perception, Intimidate, UMD, Acrobatics, & Stealth.

I keep wondering wether or not it will be viable to use acrobatics to flank.


Wait so 3.5 is available but not most of Paizo's stuff?

Lantern Lodge

Azaelas Fayth wrote:
Wait so 3.5 is available but not most of Paizo's stuff?

That is correct. The reasons as to why, and my thoughts on it are best left for a separate discussion.


Weird... I can't really help on most 3.5 stuff.

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