Tomes that add inherant bonus stack with each other to max of +5?


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This is to FAQ inherant bonus with tomes.
as the Prices of tomes suggest stackablity to the max of +5.
5 +1 books cost the same as a +5 book
2 +2 books and 1 +1 book cost the same as +5 book
2 +2 books = the same price as +4 books.
Them not being stackable make all books below +5 a waste not worth keeping ever or even using. Just sell and buy the +5 one or craft your own or cast wish 5 times in a row.
If they are not stackable then price should reflect that. As it does with weapon, rings, and belt ect. All reflect that to get better then +1 you pay more then orginal price again. This is the only Item I think of that breaks this pricing mold.


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It's pretty clear how the tomes work by RAW. Convince your GM make them stack in your home game.

Nothing to see here.


We do stack them in home games be cause it does not make sense for them not to. Another thread made me post this and when I did a search looking if anyone like SKR may have comment on this before, I noticed a few old threads. So it looks like the question comes up every now and again. So figure we should get it FAQed.


KainPen wrote:
Them not being stackable make all books below +5 a waste not worth keeping ever or even using. Just sell and buy the +5 one or craft your own or cast wish 5 times in a row.

That's pretty silly, you know. If a low level group runs across a Tome of Understanding +2, the party cleric isn't likely to feel that it's worth it to wait the long levels until it's possible to find or otherwise obtain a Tome of Understanding +5, just because a Tome +5 acquired at that point won't stack. That cleric will want the extra bonus to DC and number of spells cast per day now, even if it isn't as big as the bonus they hope to get later.

It is true that this is in some ways a carry over from earlier editions of the game, in which gear could only be found, not upgraded. If you got a +1 sword, you replaced it with a +2 sword, and eventually (with any luck) with a +5 sword. You didn't take your first magic weapon in to a crafter to have it personalized as your wealth increased.

Nowadays, it is very possible that in many games the nicest gear that players have is crafted specifically for them, and is upgraded as needed and possible. Even now, though, that is not true in all campaigns. In some, GMs do not make obtaining enchanted items very easy. Buying permanent magic items is off the table, especially powerful magic such as the various Tomes and Manuals.

Also, it is worth noting that if these bonuses stacked, the same PCs that got them the first time around would always try to get them later. As they don't stack, the other members of the party can possibly get some use out of them and upgrade their PCs without the already boosted PC's player feeling resentful that he or she did not get an item that was best suited to his or her character.


I do the stacking houserule when I GM, but the reason they don't (aside from the language of the spell) is clear. It's much easier to buy something worth 27,500 gp five times than it is to buy one thing worth five times that once. Opportunity is more limited. Resources are more limited. Etc.


yes but the language in the spell also required less time to do it. the books require days to read. So if we go by the spell language a a person can buy a +1 book hold until them he gets 5 of them and read them all back to back and it would stack. it would take him a while to read them all but it still one right after the other just like the spell. It only makes sense to let them stack even if spread a part greater time.


It would be reasonable to let the books stack if read consecutively (as with consecutive Wishes).

I much prefer that they don't stack in general. If they did stack, most casters hitting 11th-13th level would be very hard pressed not to just start buying them with every bit of their gold as they can, competing in the spell DC rat-race. Not stacking adds a lot more variation as to when they are purchased, and what other gear is bought in the meantime.

It also adds a party negotiation factor - where a Ranger with a 13 or 15 Wisdom might snag the Tome of Understanding +1, while the Cleric holds off for a bigger bonus later.


I agree with that Majuba, if they did not stack but the price should reflect the increase of not stacking. Such as bonus square that used for all other item. the problem item and spell is one use thing and it as priced as such but gives a perm bonus that can't be removed. So it does not fit into bonus squared catogry that other items do. But it effect is = to a bonus squared type ablity and should reflect that.

Thus a +5 tome should cost 312,500 GP

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