Ok, so assume someone uses Shadow Conjuration to mimic a Summon Monster spell.
Ok, I get that attacking it, casting a spell on it, or getting attacked by it all count as "interacting" with it and allows a willsave.
However, there's still a few questions:
a) Let's say they fail their save the first time, do they get new saves each time a new "interaction" happens?
b) assuming the caster summons 1d3 identical shadowy monsters. Does disbelieving one of them disbelieve the others? I figure at least it should give them the +4 bonus to disbelieve, yes?
c) Objects automatically disbelieve. Does that include intelligent magic items, and could said item warn it's friends for the +4 bonus?
Providing the relevant quote for this discussion.
Saving Throws and Illusions (Disbelief ): Creatures encountering an illusion usually do not receive saving throws to recognize it as illusory until they study it carefully or interact with it in some fashion.
A successful saving throw against an illusion reveals it to be false, but a figment or phantasm remains as a translucent outline.
A failed saving throw indicates that a character fails to notice something is amiss. A character faced with proof that an illusion isn’t real needs no saving throw. If any viewer successfully disbelieves an illusion and communicates this fact to others, each such viewer gains a saving throw with a +4 bonus.
A) By RAW there is nothing that states they get a second save. However, as a *house rule* I have always ran it that if presented with evidence that it is an illusion (others call it out) they can roll a second time with the +4 bonus. (Alternately, if it is in the same round just add +4 to the previous roll, if that means you save then you save, if not, then you don't.)
B) Even though the spell is a single spell if it creates multiple illusions each illusion is separate, three saves.
However, IF the players know that all three appeared at one time I would say that saving against one means a +4 against the others.
C) Intelligent Magic Items are in a strange place. They are objects but act a lot like creatures. In this case I would treat them as a creature. Note: this may not be RAW, just my first impulse on how I'd treat it.
- Gauss
a) Yes, you get a new save every time you interact with an illusion.I concur.
b) You disbelieve the entire spell.I disagree. The spell has already come and gone, there's little use in believing or disbelieving it. What remains is its effect: a summoned monster. Making the save will render the creature 20% effective instead.
c) Intelligent items are considered constructs rather than objects, and can be fooled by illusions.
I concur.
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b) You disbelieve the entire spell.I disagree. The spell has already come and gone, there's little use in believing or disbelieving it. What remains is its effect: a summoned monster. Making the save will render the creature 20% effective instead.
I think you missed my point. Interacting with any of the 3 monsters summoned by the spell grants you a will save. If that will save is successful, all of the monsters are only 20% effective against you. You don't get a save for each individual monster. Your save is for the entire spell.
I think you missed my point.b) You disbelieve the entire spell.I disagree.
I did indeed. My apologies if this caused confusion.
One save should indeed affect all three monsters.