I've heard people debate RAW vs RAI about whether rogues who are stealthed gain their sneak attack bonus on their first attack, especially since that's the only way to make Sniping rogues work by the book, but what's the PFS ruling on that issue? DO they allow it at society games?
Also, are sword-breaker daggers and the Eldritch Heritage feat tree legal?
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what's the PFS ruling on that issue? DO they allow it at society games?
There is no PFS-specific ruling on Stealth. PFS sticks with printed rules and official FAQs unless otherwise noted. Any deviations from the Core Rulebook will be noted in the Guide to Organized Play (a free download on this site), while modifications to other legal material will be noted on the corresponding Additional Resources entry.
Also, are sword-breaker daggers and the Eldritch Heritage feat tree legal?
To see if something's legal in PFS, look for the book it's in on the Additional Resources page; it's the official document of what's legal in PFS. Anything outside the Core Assumption is illegal unless specifically made legal on that page.
So no one at any PFS table knows if rogues get their sneak attack bonus if attacking from stealth? I figure it must have come up by now, since as I understand it the concern is people are still debating what RAW even means in this regard.
As we see the elusive Jiggy interact with the subject...we notice that he is teaching the subject to fish, and not feeding him directly
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To be honest I haven't really encountered many stealth-users in PFS so I haven't delved too far into it, but my understanding is that if you're not aware of an enemy (barring abilities such as Uncanny Dodge) then you don't get your DEX bonus to AC (which of course enables Sneak Attack), and Stealth's whole point is to make someone be unaware of you.
Is one of those points in contention? Or is there a flaw in the logical flow from the premises to the conclusion that I'm overlooking?
I've just seen it up for debate many times. While that is the rule for surprise rounds and ambushing someone, I believe the contention comes from whether or not it works in the middle of combat. If you disappear into the shadows successfully during combat, do they still lose their Dex bonus vs your attacks.
I've seen threads debate all sorts of variations of Stealth, and looking through them there's so many I can't really re-find the one that gave me the doubt, but I remember people somewhere being of the consensus that ranged rogues are useless because after the surprise round, there's no RAW way to get your sneak attack on a ranged attack.
At my home table I just use the Stealth re-write from DDS's Rogue Glory, but since I'm planning a PFS character and sneak attack threads are long and convoluted, I thought I'd ask if PFS had an official ruling on the issue, or if I was simply confused on the point of contention from reading so many convoluted stealth threads in my time. I agree your reading makes sense, I just wanted to double check; maybe I'm wrong and it was just full-attack ranged rogues that were in contention.
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As stated by Jiggy, PFS uses RAW unless specified otherwise in the guide. Which means if the interpretation of a RAW rule is still up for debate, then it will be up for debate at your PFS table. So expect table variation. Now most DMs will likely say, "okay" either because they think that's is how RAW works, they think that is how RAW should work or because they are willing to take your word for it on how it works, but that doesn't mean all of them will.