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A million apologizes if this a well known fact and/or discussed on numerous threads I somehow cant find.
I have a level 3 Druid with a new feat and was considering going Heavy Armor Proficiency and with my loot purchasing Ironwood Fullplate +1 (as +1 items are always available in PFS correct?).
The Hero builder appears to let me be able to do this with no error message.
Is this allowed in PFS??
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I was under the impression that ironwood had a non-permanent duration. You're likely better off with dragonhide, once your fame is high enough (18 fame required).
thanks.
Im not quite sure I understand the non-permenant duration nature of it if it is a purchased item allowed in PFS.
Also is fame = prestige points? How does one acquire "fame" levels/points? I have not seen that before in any reference material for PFS.
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Your fame is the highest amount of prestige points you could ever have. If you've bought a wand for 2 PP, your fame score is two points higher than your prestige point total. It would take nine perfect scenarios to achieve 18 fame.
As for ironwood, I believe since it has a day/level duration, it would expire at the end of the scenario.
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I was under the impression that ironwood had a non-permanent duration. You're likely better off with dragonhide, once your fame is high enough (18 fame required).thanks.
Im not quite sure I understand the non-permenant duration nature of it if it is a purchased item allowed in PFS.
Also is fame = prestige points? How does one acquire "fame" levels/points? I have not seen that before in any reference material for PFS.
Ironwood is a spell with a duration of 1 day per level that magically hardens wood. If it also exists as a purchasable special material somewhere, I'm not aware of it. Are you seeing it in a book you have? If so, what book?
Fame is discussed in the Guide to Organized Play. Whenever you gain Prestige Points, your Fame score goes up by the same amount. The only difference is that you can spend your PP to get items or services, while your Fame score never goes down. There's a chart in the Guide that lists some Fame scores alongside some monetary amounts. You can purchase any legal item whose total price falls within the amount that said chart allows for your Fame score, even if that item is not on the "Always Available" list or any of your chronicle sheets. So basically, the more Prestige you earn, the higher your Fame score, and the higher your Fame score, the better gear you're allowed to buy.
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Im not seeing it in a book per se, Im seeing in the herobuilder as a materials option for a custom suit of armor. I would assume if it is a materials option in the PFS herobuilder rule set there must be that material somewhere in a PFS legal book? Or no?
Its certainly not a basic material in the core rulebook though, but perhaps in some other supplement?
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Im not seeing it in a book per se, Im seeing in the herobuilder as a materials option for a custom suit of armor. I would assume if it is a materials option in the PFS herobuilder rule set there must be that material somewhere in a PFS legal book? Or no?
Its certainly not a basic material in the core rulebook though, but perhaps in some other supplement?
There isn't any official character creation software for organized play, that I'm aware of. There's some third-party stuff (such as HeroLab) that tries to include notes on PFS legality for convenience, but the final word on legality is the Guide to Organized Play and the Additional Resources page. Doesn't matter what any software says.
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There isn't any official character creation software for organized play, that I'm aware of. There's some third-party stuff (such as HeroLab) that tries to include notes on PFS legality for convenience, but the final word on legality is the Guide to Organized Play and the Additional Resources page. Doesn't matter what any software says.Im not seeing it in a book per se, Im seeing in the herobuilder as a materials option for a custom suit of armor. I would assume if it is a materials option in the PFS herobuilder rule set there must be that material somewhere in a PFS legal book? Or no?
Its certainly not a basic material in the core rulebook though, but perhaps in some other supplement?
Thanks got it!
So there is no special material Ironwood period in the game? It is a spell only then.So heavy armor proficiency would only help a druid IF they did 9 modules, got 2 prestige from each and then had opened up the ability to buy dragonhide (which is allowed), making that an option only at level 10.
random additional question: I would assume druids who shape change keep their base ac ergo having dragonhide would actually help alot when transform into an elemental etc?
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Thanks got it!
So there is no special material Ironwood period in the game? It is a spell only then.
Remember, you need to have the book to use something from it. So instead of "What's legal?", a more useful perspective is to take an inventory of what books you have, check each one against the Additional Resources list, and see what you end up with.
So heavy armor proficiency would only help a druid IF they did 9 modules, got 2 prestige from each and then had opened up the ability to buy dragonhide (which is allowed), making that an option only at level 10.
Don't confuse modules with scenarios. :)
A scenario can grant up to 2PP, and grants 1XP (with 3XP needed per level). So 9 perfect scenarios will get you 18PP/Fame and 9XP, taking you to 4th level, not 10th.A module, on the other hand, is longer and grants 3XP and 4PP (except for Free RPG Day modules, which are more like scenarios).
random additional question: I would assume druids who shape change keep their base ac ergo having dragonhide would actually help alot when transform into an elemental etc?
When you cast a polymorph spell that changes you into a creature of the animal, dragon, elemental, magical beast, plant, or vermin type, all of your gear melds into your body. Items that provide constant bonuses and do not need to be activated continue to function while melded in this way (with the exception of armor and shield bonuses, which cease to function).
So no, your armor doesn't help while wildshaping. However, I think there's an armor enchantment that changes this fact, but I don't know what it's called.
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Level 4, not level 10. 6pp/level, assuming you achieve all your faction missions.
You need the Wild enchantment to grant your armor bonus during wildshape. It's a +3 armor enchantment.
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Level 4, not level 10. 6pp/level, assuming you achieve all your faction missions.
You need the Wild enchantment to grant your armor bonus during wildshape. It's a +3 armor enchantment.
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Nefreet: If I can ask a dumb ? to probably many here, how do I get the wild enchantment on my dragonhide FP armor?
I want to properly plan out my character at each level so I can eventually wildshape into a form to do damage and have my armor Ive invested actually help me out.THANKS!
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So heavy armor proficiency would only help a druid IF they did 9 modules, got 2 prestige from each and then had opened up the ability to buy dragonhide (which is allowed), making that an option only at level 10.
That's 9 scenarios, not modules. You get 1 xp and a maximum of 2 fame/prestige from each scenario, which are adventures designed for play in a 4-5 hour sitting. Modules are supposed to take 2-3 times as long to play, and are worth 3 xp and 4 fame/prestige. Scenarios are the standard for most PFS play.
Every 3 xp, you go up a level. So you could have 18 fame when you turn level 4, assuming you only play scenarios and get maximum fame each time. Even if you miss a prestige point here or there, most PCs still get 18 fame by level 5.
I don't know enough about druid stuff to answer your specific questions for your character, but based on your lack of knowledge of Society-specific rules, I'm going to recommend two links for you. This is where you can download the FREE Pathfinder Society Guide to Organized Play, which is where you can get all the Society-specific rules like the stuff we're discussing in this thread. And this is the link to the Additional Resources page, which tells you what races, classes, items, feats, traits, and whatever else are legal for Society play, based on what book they're in.
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Wild, as a +3 bonus, puts the cost of +1 wild dragonhide full plate at 19,300 gp. This would require a fame score of 36, which is reachable by level 7 at the earliest. It will likely take you a bit longer if you factor in the occasional faction mission failure.
On the other hand, it would be hard to beat a +10 armour bonus while wild shaped. Mage armour, as the cheaper alternative, only gives a +4.
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You can get heavy armor proficiency any time you want to spend the feat.
If, for some reason you can't get your fame high enough for the dragonhide, there's stone plate armor in the inner sea world guide. I think dragonhide is better in every way.
Instead of the wild enchant what you can do is pick a combat form (velociraptor or big cat for pouncers, a big hippo for one one big chomp) and get yourself barding made for that form. It increases the base cost of the armor (x2 or X4 depending on whether you're medium or large) but you'll save a mint in enchanting costs.
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The issue with barding is you have to be very prepared to be wildshaped. You also lose out on a lot of the versatility that wildshape gives.
I think the best situation is potions and wands of mage armour at low levels, while wearing dragonhide full plate. Eventually, save up 16,000 gp to upgrade it to +1 wild.
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So I'm gonna throw this out here, since this thread isn't very old, it's important to note that dragon hide is NOT legal for PFS without a chronicle sheet allowing it. In the society guide it states in the always available section, " This does not include equipment made from dragonhide, but it does include equipment made from the other special materials, such as alchemical silver and cold iron."
Dragonhide is legal, it is not always available. You are just required to have the correct fame score (or higher) to purchase it.
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Additionally, if you're not dead set on heavy armor, Dragonhide Breastplate can be had for a mere 2 Prestige.
Edit: And this thread illustrates the problem with HeroLab. It's not that HeroLab is a bad product, or has errors, or whatever. It's when players ASSUME things about the rules based on HeroLab.
I am fairly certain that you actually need a chronicle sheet allowing dragon hide. I personally have received a chronicle from a scenario after killing a dragon that allows the purchase of a dragon hide armor. I don't think fame matters for this one.
You can buy items without them being on a chronicle sheet, unless I missed a change or something in the past few months. Dragon hide isn't a unique item or anything. Lots of things show up on chronicle sheets you could otherwise buy, and for the same price too. If I remember right that's why boons pop up more often now; to give them value.
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I am fairly certain that you actually need a chronicle sheet allowing dragon hide. I personally have received a chronicle from a scenario after killing a dragon that allows the purchase of a dragon hide armor. I don't think fame matters for this one.
I am absolutely certain you're wrong. Or, rather, only partially correct. Fame, prestige expenditure, and chronicle sheets are the only way to bypass the "Always Available" list. What, in your mind, makes Dragonhide somehow less available than other things that can be purchased with Prestige or a high enough Fame?
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I am fairly certain that you actually need a chronicle sheet allowing dragon hide. I personally have received a chronicle from a scenario after killing a dragon that allows the purchase of a dragon hide armor. I don't think fame matters for this one.
You are incorrect, although it's a pretty common mistake to make. In the same way that a gunslinger cannot purchase a double-barrelled pistol until they have a high enough fame score, a druid cannot purchase dragonhide full plate until they have the requisite fame.
Just because most mundane objects are always available does not mean that the few that are not are banned.
At the bottom of the list of always available items (including basic armour and weapons and +1 armour and weapons) is this paragraph:
Beyond the gear noted above, your character is restricted to purchasing additional items from his accumulated Chronicle sheets, or by capitalizing on his fame within his faction. Weapons, armor, equipment, magic items and so on that are outside of these lists are not available for purchase at any time.
You need 18 fame and then virtually any dragonhide item is available. I suppose large-sized dragonhide full plate barding would still be out of reach for some time.