Blessing of Fervor and Haste Interactions

[yuishichan]

I have some questions about these two spells interacting with each other. Blessing of Fervor specifically states:

"These effects are not cumulative with similar effects, such as those provided by haste or a speed weapon, nor do they actually grant an extra action, so you can't use it to cast a second spell or otherwise take an extra action in the round. Blessing of fervor does not stack with haste."

Does this simply apply to the effect of receiving an extra attack as part of a full attack action? Or does this apply to the bonus to attack and, damage and reflex saves? If you use Blessing of Fervor for attack, damage, and reflex saves, do you still receive the benefit of the extra attack from haste? Does this phrase also mean that if you are under the effects of both spells, do you have to choose which one you are benefiting from each round?

[Nullpunkt]

I doubt you will find an explicit answer to that question in the rules somewhere so it comes down to personal opinions and interpretations. Mine is that you take all the effects of haste and blessing of fervor combined and only apply the highest modifiers.

So if you chose the bonus on attack, AC and Ref saves you would only apply the +2 from blessing of fervor and not the +1 from haste, but still get an extra attack from haste when making a full attack.

If you chose an extra attack from blessing of fervor you'd get the +1 to attack from haste but not another additional attack.

[Jarred Henninger]

I 2nd Nullpunkt's opinion.

[yuishichan]

Nullpunkt wrote:

I doubt you will find an explicit answer to that question in the rules somewhere so it comes down to personal opinions and interpretations. Mine is that you take all the effects of haste and blessing of fervor combined and only apply the highest modifiers.

So if you chose the bonus on attack, AC and Ref saves you would only apply the +2 from blessing of fervor and not the +1 from haste, but still get an extra attack from haste when making a full attack.

If you chose an extra attack from blessing of fervor you'd get the +1 to attack from haste but not another additional attack.

I know. If I recall correctly there aren't many spells that go out of the way to mention that they don't stack with other spells. The way that we have interpreted the rule is exactly the same way that you just describe.

[ShoulderPatch]

"Blessing of Fervor does not stack with Haste."

If you're asking RAW that seems pretty cut and dry, unless a FAQ/errata somewhere says otherwise.

Reads like you can have BoF applying OR you can have Haste applying, you can't have both or combine them [as that would be stacking].

[Diego Rossi]

ShoulderPatch wrote:

"Blessing of Fervor does not stack with Haste."

If you're asking RAW that seems pretty cut and dry, unless a FAQ/errata somewhere says otherwise.

Reads like you can have BoF applying OR you can have Haste applying, you can't have both or combine them [as that would be stacking].

Remember: "does not stack" isn't the same thing as "don't overlap". Most effects that don't stack overlap. When two (or more) effects overlap only the strongest effect is used, but all the effects still exist.