Is the short list of [Good] creatures that Summon Good Creature adds to a Cleric's list enough to make Sacred Summons worthwhile? I'm trying to decide a feat plan for a Hidden Priest of Saranrae, and I'm considering a Summons focus.
3: Silvanshee Agathion
4: Foo Lion
5: Vulpinal Agathion
7: Movanic Deva
8: Monadic Deva
9: Astral Deva
9: Leonal Agathion
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They'd likely be the 9th and 11th level feats, with Augmented and Superior taken later than that. Don't see as much point in summoning at lower levels, although I could see pushing everything two levels earlier.
It seems like a pretty good deal once you get to the angels. Foo Lion is great as well, especially with multiples (summon as standard action, lots of foo lions pounce the enemy with 5 attacks each).
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I saw the SGC feat and my first response after jumping up and down was yes, it will go great with sacred summons. I love standard action summons. And you shall note that it gives the celestial template along with NG subtype so can now summon those animals using sacred summons. So if your deity is NG you make out great for first 6 spell levels, where LG takes the top 3. my 2 cents. I gave up augmented summons to take SGC first.
The feat forces you to choose monsters that match your deity alignment exactly. As an example if your deity is lawful good then it only works on lawful good summons, not just any good summons.
Sacred Summons
The minions of your divine patrons stand ready to answer your call.
Prerequisites: Aura class feature, ability to cast summon monster.
Benefit: When using summon monster to summon creatures whose alignment subtype or subtypes exactly match your aura, you may cast the spell as a standard action instead of with a casting time of 1 round.
So now the question is how is your aura determined?
Aura (Ex): A cleric of a chaotic, evil, good, or lawful deity has a particularly powerful aura corresponding to the deity's alignment (see the detect evil spell for details).
So the aura will match the deity's alignment. That means if you worship a law good deity your aura will be lawful and good. Therefore the creature must be lawful and good aka lawful good.
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Non rules argument: I think the feat is too restrictive. I houserule it to work with either alignment your aura has as long as it does not oppose your deity. As an example if your deity is lawful good I would allow you to summon a LN monster, but not a LE one because evil goes against your deity's alignment.
In this case, it's pretty good for an NG cleric, since all the creatures added by Summon Good Creature (all the ones mentioned in the OP's post, at least) are NG, and have only the Good subtype :)
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how restrictive, you get creatures for every level to summon as a standard action if you have a NG deity. Maybe there not all that great but to put a critter betweenyou and guy trying to kill is a plus to me. Than as I said I love standard summonings. have done the shaman druid, summoner, wizard with feat and N cleric of LE deity all so can standard summon. I think I may really like my cleric of shelyn. course may also do a summoner with this feat.
Not all of those creatures are on the standard summoning list unless the GM is going to work with him or he is allowing variant monsters which are listed in some AP's certain deities.<--If so the feat is better than normal.. :)
Wraith, do you have any examples of such? Especially for Saranrae?
Not all of those creatures are on the standard summoning list unless the GM is going to work with him or he is allowing variant monsters which are listed in some AP's certain deities.<--If so the feat is better than normal.. :)
wraithstrike, the OP is talking about taking the feat Summon Good Monster, which specifically adds those creatures (and a number of others) to the list of creatures that can be summoned with the various summon monster spells :)
Edit: For some reason the linked table doesn't show alignment subtypes for any of the creatures, despite several of them having such.
Wraith, do you have any examples of such? Especially for Saranrae?
Most of the AP deity articles add creatures to the summon monster lists for priests of that deity. The Sarenrae article (AP #20) adds janni at SM6, djinni at SM7/SNA7, and redeemed efreeti (LG; without wish) at SM8/SNA8.
Not all of those creatures are on the standard summoning list unless the GM is going to work with him or he is allowing variant monsters which are listed in some AP's certain deities.<--If so the feat is better than normal.. :)wraithstrike, the OP is talking about taking the feat Summon Good Monster, which specifically adds those creatures (and a number of others) to the list of creatures that can be summoned with the various summon monster spells :)
Edit: For some reason the linked table doesn't show alignment subtypes for any of the creatures, despite several of them having such.
I did not even know that feat existed. That makes the other feat a lot better. Npw we need an evil version of that feat.
And you shall note that it gives the celestial template along with NG subtype so can now summon those animals using sacred summons.
I don't think this is actually true is it? Celestial / Fiendish templates don't grant alignment subtypes as far as I can see, and the feat doesn't say anything about doing so directly. I think that the short list I posted at the start of the thread would be the only creatures that would get to be summoned as standard actions.
Most of the AP deity articles add creatures to the summon monster lists for priests of that deity. The Sarenrae article (AP #20) adds janni at SM6, djinni at SM7/SNA7, and redeemed efreeti (LG; without wish) at SM8/SNA8.
Thanks Are. Nice to have extra options, even though the genies don't have alignment subtypes.
NEW FEAT: SUMMON GOOD MONSTER
You can summon the aid of creatures driven by their very nature to
destroy evil.
Prerequisite: Good alignment.
Benefit: When casting summon monster, you also gain access to
the list of good monsters above. Your righteous determination grants
these summoned creatures the Diehard feat. You may still summon
creatures from the standard list, but without the Diehard feat.
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1st Level
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Celestial dog (NG)
Celestial dolphin (NG)
Celestial eagle (NG)
Celestial fire beetle (NG)
Celestial pony (NG)
Celestial viper (NG)
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2nd level
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Celestial octopus (NG)
Celestial wolf (NG)
Faun B3 (CG)
Grig B2 (without fiddle ability) (NG)
Pseudodragon (NG)
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3rd level
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Blink dog (LG)
Celestial shark (NG)
Foo dog B3 (NG)
Lantern archon (LG)
Lyrakien azata B2 (CG)
Silvanshee agathion B2 (NG)
--==--==--==--==--==
4th level
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Celestial dire wolf (NG)
Celestial giant eagle (NG)
Celestial pegasus (CG)
Faerie dragon B3 (NG)
Foo lion B3 (NG)
Hound archon (LG)
Pixie (NG)
--==--==--==--==--==
5th level
==--==--==--==--==--
Bralani azata (GC)
Celestial orca (NG)
Djinni (CG)
Unicorn (CG)
Vulpinal agathion B2 (NG)
--==--==--==--==--==
6th level
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Celestial giant octopus (NG)
Kirin B3 (LG)
Legion archon B3 (LG)
Lillend azata (LG)
Wood giant B2 (CG)
--==--==--==--==--==
7th level
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Celestial dire shark (NG)
Celestial roc (NG)
Movanic devaB2 (NG)
Shedu B3 (LG)
Shield archon B2 (LG)
Treant (NG)
Young bronze dragon (LG)
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8th level
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Cloud giant (NG)
Dragon horse B2 (NG)
Lammasu B3 (LG)
Monadic deva B2 (NG)
Young gold dragon (LG)
--==--==--==--==--==
9th level
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Astral deva (NG)
Couatl (LG)
Ghaele azata (CG)
Leonal agathionB2 (NG)
Storm giant (CG)
Trumpet archon (LG)
Sacred Summons
The minions of your divine patrons stand ready to answer
your call.
Prerequisites: Aura class feature, ability to cast summon
monster.
Benefit: When using summon monster to summon
creatures whose alignment subtype or subtypes exactly
match your aura, you may cast the spell as a standard action
instead of with a casting time of 1 round.
My 2 cents, if you are playing a NG (Kurgess looks good, Travel and Luck) then Sacred Summons for standard action summoning plus a VERY large list of NG creatures to use Sacred Summons on would be exceptional. For all others, not quite so nice.
That's what I'm asking about Arizhel. But as far as I could see, only the few creatures that I listed in the first post actually have just the {Good] Subtype, so they'd be the only ones benefiting from Sacred Summons. The list might be a little longer for LG or CG, I never checked. But it doesn't apply to the entire list of NG summons, just the few that have the subtype.
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Anyone else? normally when a LG summons a celestial eagle it would be LG, but this feat adds a list of critters that are NG celestial. In all the AP's when they did this they said they had the subtype. So, would that mean that you get to summon the animals as a sub type with this feat? In a home game I would say yes. In my mind for PFS I would say Yes, but if most people dont see it as I do than I will rethink it. Thanks
Great site. Love the work you put into this.
Note:
Class favored Bonus for Gnomes:
Gnomes: Add +1/2 to Knowledge (arcana) and Use Magic Device.
Don't you think this a bit much. +10 to THE skill for the artificer seems a bit much. I wouldn't give a bonus to UDM. I would change it to a bonus to Knowledge Arcana and Spellcraft. Item use and Item creation all tie into UDM. As it stands there is no reason to play any other class but a gnome if your going artificer.
Great site. Love the work you put into this.
Note:
Class favored Bonus for Gnomes:
Gnomes: Add +1/2 to Knowledge (arcana) and Use Magic Device.
Don't you think this a bit much. +10 to THE skill for the artificer seems a bit much. I wouldn't give a bonus to UDM. I would change it to a bonus to Knowledge Arcana and Spellcraft. Item use and Item creation all tie into UDM. As it stands there is no reason to play any other class but a gnome if your going artificer.
Sorry. I posted in the wrong forum. Forgive my post.