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Sovereign Court

I like Pirate cookies. Not sure how this fits in with the DOMA discussion but I'm sure I could get a 5-4 decision as well if I were to argue in favor of Pirate cookies at the supreme court.

Edit: I think pirate cookies are only available in Canada


StreamOfTheSky wrote:


(Also, Thin Mints are the most overrated cookie ever. *Flame War ON*)

DIE IN THE FIERY INFERNOS OF AN EZ BAKE OVEN YOU HEATHEN!


Guy Humual wrote:
I think pirate cookies are only available in Canada

That's OK...here in the United States we have Ninja cookies.


Guy Humual wrote:
Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
Yeah, and a guy who lectured on Constitutional law reversing himself, twice, and on a pretty simple issue of basic human equality to boot, that's just "changing his mind," it's got nothing to do with politics.
I'm not going to criticize a guy who perhaps said some things to get elected but ultimately made the right choices. I think the whole Guantanamo prison and the drone strike program are excellent targets though.

Given that the President has repeatedly tried to close Guantanamo, but has been stalled by Congress' refusal to fund the closure/transfer, I don't think that is a very good target, actually. He really does seem to want to close Guantanamo.

Drone strikes, on the other hand: fire away. The administration should catch some flak for that.


Especially the 'double tap' trick where the drone bombs attack a target a second time a few minutes later, catching rescue workers in the attack. If a terrorist was targeting ambulance and fire crews in the west we'd be up in arms.

Sovereign Court

Scott Betts wrote:
Guy Humual wrote:
Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
Yeah, and a guy who lectured on Constitutional law reversing himself, twice, and on a pretty simple issue of basic human equality to boot, that's just "changing his mind," it's got nothing to do with politics.
I'm not going to criticize a guy who perhaps said some things to get elected but ultimately made the right choices. I think the whole Guantanamo prison and the drone strike program are excellent targets though.
Given that the President has repeatedly tried to close Guantanamo, but has been stalled by Congress' refusal to fund the closure/transfer, I don't think that is a very good target, actually. He really does seem to want to close Guantanamo.

Could he not have closed it by executive order by now? Or at least released many of the poor detainees that pose no threat and have been effectively held for over a decade for no apparent reason?


Guy Humual wrote:
Scott Betts wrote:
Guy Humual wrote:
Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
Yeah, and a guy who lectured on Constitutional law reversing himself, twice, and on a pretty simple issue of basic human equality to boot, that's just "changing his mind," it's got nothing to do with politics.
I'm not going to criticize a guy who perhaps said some things to get elected but ultimately made the right choices. I think the whole Guantanamo prison and the drone strike program are excellent targets though.
Given that the President has repeatedly tried to close Guantanamo, but has been stalled by Congress' refusal to fund the closure/transfer, I don't think that is a very good target, actually. He really does seem to want to close Guantanamo.
Could he not have closed it by executive order by now? Or at least released many of the poor detainees that pose no threat and have been effectively held for over a decade for no apparent reason?

He has been trying to do both, but lacks the ability to do so without Congressional approval. This section of Wikipedia gives a solid run-down of what's been going on for the last few years.

Liberty's Edge

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Guy Humual wrote:
Scott Betts wrote:
Guy Humual wrote:
Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
Yeah, and a guy who lectured on Constitutional law reversing himself, twice, and on a pretty simple issue of basic human equality to boot, that's just "changing his mind," it's got nothing to do with politics.
I'm not going to criticize a guy who perhaps said some things to get elected but ultimately made the right choices. I think the whole Guantanamo prison and the drone strike program are excellent targets though.
Given that the President has repeatedly tried to close Guantanamo, but has been stalled by Congress' refusal to fund the closure/transfer, I don't think that is a very good target, actually. He really does seem to want to close Guantanamo.
Could he not have closed it by executive order by now? Or at least released many of the poor detainees that pose no threat and have been effectively held for over a decade for no apparent reason?

Guy,

Given Congress has made a law saying they cannot be released to the American mainland, and other countries are unwilling to accept their nationals back for a variety of reasons, actually, no, he probably can't. Well he could, but that would mean stranding them in an even worse extra-judicial limbo. Obama is a disappointment in human rights/security state areas but it's not 100% his fault.


JonGarrett wrote:
Especially the 'double tap' trick where the drone bombs attack a target a second time a few minutes later, catching rescue workers in the attack. If a terrorist was targeting ambulance and fire crews in the west we'd be up in arms.

What is your source for this?

Sovereign Court

Okay, I'll take back my previous statement then and I'll place the blame for Guantanamo on the entire US government.


kmal2t wrote:
JonGarrett wrote:
Especially the 'double tap' trick where the drone bombs attack a target a second time a few minutes later, catching rescue workers in the attack. If a terrorist was targeting ambulance and fire crews in the west we'd be up in arms.
What is your source for this?

An article in the Guardian, a UK newspaper, mentions that 'double tap' strikes might be considered War Crimes by the UN. If you do't like the Guardian just google a news source you prefer - there seems to be any number mentioning the issue.


Gay marriage is cool, I guess, if you like that marriage stuff, but Obama sucks!

For workers revolution!

Vive le Galt!


Best part is that with drones, you have complete footage of their entire trip, which orders were given by who and when. I don't doubt the military will come to realize the results this will bring. Plus, you are not likely to hear the argument "if you weren't there, if you weren't in danger, you can't criticize" about it. Operation foot bazooka, anyone?

Liberty's Edge

Back to the actual topic:

DHS is issuing green cards.

Sovereign Court

looks like a positive development.


Positive, yes, but not particularly a development. More like an immediate and obvious consequence. INS has been keeping a list for two years now of same-sex-couples-denied-green-cards with the intention of issuing them as soon as they were allowed to.

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