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Trample (Combat)
While mounted, you can ride down opponents and trample them under your mount.
Prerequisites: Ride 1 rank, Mounted Combat.
Benefit: When you attempt to overrun an opponent while mounted, your target may not choose to avoid you. Your mount may make one hoof attack against any target you knock down, gaining the standard +4 bonus on attack rolls against prone targets.
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So, if I have a non-hooved mount, they can't get a free attack? I suggest replacing "hoof" with "natural".
Well, a bite would be weird and a big cat won't use its claws as it's supposed to, so I disagree.
How is a bite attack wierd? You just knocked the target prone. As for claws, cats would have far better maneuverability than horses for clawing an opponent, so I am unsure what's wierd about that, either.
Since this is an Overrun maneuver, you move through the opponent's square but you must end your turn on an empty space, so you cannot end your turn on the same square occupied by the opponent you just trampled. That's RAW.
I think the way we see it play out in our minds is that the mount "tramples" an enemy with its feet. It seems very natural that those feet that are doing the trample can get an attack on the enemy during the trample - note that this is not included in every Overrun, just in an Overrun with the Trample feat.
I think Little Skylark thought it would be weird for an animal who is trampling an enemy with its feet to suddenly get a free bite attack in mid-Overrun but somehow be able to bite while not doing any damage with its feet. I agree, that is a bit weird.
I suppose, it would be allowable to Trample (Overrun) the enemy and then stop the mount in the square immediately beyond the trampled enemy, then turn the mount (there is no facing in Pathfinder combat anyway) so that it can bite the prone enemy, so maybe it's not out of the realm of possibility to allow such a thing as a houserule, but RAW says Hoof.
I agree with the OP that "Hoof" is very limiting. I can see a very easy common-sense interpretation to allow mounts with no hooves to use whatever kind of foot it has to make its free attack, but going all the way to any natural attack is delving into the realm of houserules.
Well a claw or rake attack I could easily see happening. Ram into the enemy with your head or shoulder, knock him over prone and just walk over him with your claws out. Claw attack, pretty much happening the same way as the trample.
Bite or wing attacks or similar things are a bit tougher to make work.
I guess using Natural Attacks that are on limbs used to overrun would be something I'd allow.
