Squeezing and 5 ft steps


Rules Questions

Shadow Lodge

1) Can you take a 5ft step into a square you'll be squeezing into?
2) Can you take a 5ft step out of a square you were squeezed in?
3) Is a squeezing square treated as difficult terrain for all purposes? If not, where is it different?
4) Do either provoke an AoO?

The core rulebook says:

Squeezing wrote:

In some cases, you may have to squeeze into or through an area that isn't as wide as the space you take up. You can squeeze through or into a space that is at least half as wide as your normal space. Each move into or through a narrow space counts as if it were 2 squares, and while squeezed in a narrow space, you take a –4 penalty on attack rolls and a –4 penalty to AC.

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and

Special Movement Rules wrote:

Double Movement Cost: When your movement is hampered in some way, your movement usually costs double. For example, each square of movement through difficult terrain counts as 2 squares, and each diagonal move through such terrain counts as 3 squares (just as two diagonal moves normally do).

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The reason I quote these is because you can't take a 5ft step into difficult terrain, but you can take a 5ft step out of it. Does the same apply with squeezing in and squeezing out?

I don't think there's anywhere that says you provoke AoOs in either squeezing or difficult terrain, but there is one fairly unrelated mention in "Move 5 feet through difficult terrain" that I won't quote here which mentions you do provoke, and I want to cover my bases.

Sczarni

As with any normal movement more than five feet, you would provoke if moving while squeezed.

Since moving through or into a tight space costs 2 squares, you obviously could not five foot step into a square that would require you to squeeze, but I see nothing that says you can't five foot step out. I've always allowed it in my games.

Although I've been wrong on a lot of rules interpretations lately. Let's see what some others have to say.

Shadow Lodge

So:
1) No
(it counts as 2 squares to move in, or through)

2) Yes
(it counts as 1 square to move out; might be more of a consensus thing rather than a rule?)

4) Yes for 1, No for 2
(only as per normal movement; if it counts as a 5ft step, you don't provoke, if it counts as 2 squares, it's not a 5ft step, and you provoke)


Wait what? It doesn't matter if you're moving into Difficult Terrain or moving out of it, both of those situations count as moving through Difficult Terrain, so there is no taking a 5-foot step out of it without some special ability that lets you do so.

Shadow Lodge

I can see it working one way or the other; not both.

The other way to look at it is to compare it to moving into or out of a threatened area and when do AoO's apply.

If you move into a threatened area, you don't provoke; if you move out, you do provoke.

Might the same thing apply? Could you 5ft step in, but not out?

Sczarni

You definitely cannot five foot step into a tight space. That is already defined as costing 2 squares of movement. It's moving out that is less clear.


Avatar-1 wrote:

I can see it working one way or the other; not both.

The other way to look at it is to compare it to moving into or out of a threatened area and when do AoO's apply.

If you move into a threatened area, you don't provoke; if you move out, you do provoke.

Might the same thing apply? Could you 5ft step in, but not out?

At the same time, you can 5-foot step into and out of a threatened square no problem, but a 5-foot step is different than a move action. Think about it this way; is it any easier to start walking into a swamp than it is to start walking out? In both situations, your movement will become hampered. you're not gonna stop being hampered by the swamp until you're not in the swamp anymore.

Sovereign Court

Martiln: it might not be strictly realistic, but as I understand, the rules just check the cost of moving into a square, regardless of the square you came from. Every mention of difficult terrain that really tells you what to do, says that the cost to move in is increased; it says nothing about the cost to move out.

And 5ft step only works if you're actually paying only 5ft of movement to do it.

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