Since this feat was introduced in 3.5 I've been interested in playing with it and now I'm working on a Storm Druid that uses this concept but I was wanted to play him from 1st level. Reading the feat again it seems to indicate that you could in fact weild the two weapons together without the feat but at a penalty. Does any one know what that penalty would be?
The feat reads:
Normal: An earth breaker is a two-handed weapon,
preventing the use of a klar in one hand without imposing
penalties for using the earth breaker one-handed. A klar
can be used either as a one-handed weapon or a shield; it
does not grant a bonus to AC during rounds in which it
is used as a weapon.
I could not find any specific rules on this. Can someone tell me what the penalty would be and from what source I can site it? Thanks.
I would need to know the source before I could tell you if this an exception to the rule.
Specifically I would need to know what books the feat came from, and what book the weapon and shield came from.
Since you could not wield a two-handed weapon in 3.5 normally I am assuming the weapon description had its own penalty as a rules exception.
edit: It seems you don't have the source. I guess I can try to find it for you, but you owe the Legion of the Many Eyed Shadow.
Sorry, they are all in Varisia, Birthplace Of Legends (Pathfinder Companion series). The Qoute above is from the Thunder & Fang feat information.
That is not a 3.5 feat. It is a pathfinder feat.
The source is Pathfinder Player Companion: Varisia, Birthplace of Legends.
Now I will see if I can find the earth breaker.
It seems as though someone made a mistake when writing the feat, and it got past editing. There is no penalty because you can't use the weapon one-handed, and the earthbreaker description has no rules exception to allow it to be used one-handed.
I was really hoping that it wasn't a mistake but I couldn't find anything. Thanks.
Actually, you should be just fine wielding the earth breaker one-handed.
I think that is about as cut and dried as it gets. Enjoy your awesome fighting style!
Thunder and FangYou have mastered the ancient Shoanti Thunder and Fang fighting style, allowing you to fight with increased effectiveness when wielding an earth breaker and klar.
Prerequisites: Str 15, Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (earth breaker), Weapon Focus (klar)
Benefit: You can use an earth breaker as though it were a one-handed weapon. When using an earth breaker in one hand and a klar in your off hand, you retain the shield bonus your klar grants to your Armor Class even when you use it to attack. Treat your klar as a light weapon for the purposes of determining your two-weapon fighting penalty.
Normal: An earth breaker is a two-handed weapon, preventing the use of a klar in one hand without imposing penalties for using the earth breaker one-handed. A klar can be used either as a one-handed weapon or a shield; it does not grant a bonus to AC during rounds in which it is used as a weapon.
Special: This is a combat feat, and may be selected with class features that grant bonus combat feats.
The issue is not whether the feat allows him to do it. The question is can he do it without the feat, and he can't.
Barbarian, Ranger, and Fighter are the obvious choices but I thought it would make an interesting look for a storm druid to use a fighting style caller Thunder and Fang. Stylewise it fit but mechanically its causing me the issue of having to switch styles until 7th level. I really was hoping there was some obscure rule that would allow this to work from first level. Unfortunately I am also using this at a society event so a house ruling seems less than likely.
In a casual or home game I would image a penalty of -2 (similar to using a weapon of inappropriate size) would be allowed.
You could start with an earthbreaker that's one size too small for you, wielding it one-handed...
While that would work, it's a little away from the style that I was hoping for.
Sorry, I like the flavor of this one. I know I could max myself out, my choice that way would be fighter, but I'd prefer to play an interesting character than a munchkin. I was looking for a possible rule clarification. Thanks anyways.
I guess that makes since but it still seems like it was a mistake to print it. I'm probably going to have the character mainly use the Earth breaker but build up to using both. Thanks for all the help guys.
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Just go Human Ranger, take your Weapon Focus feats at 1st level, get Two-Weapon Fighting as a bonus at 2nd, and take Thunder & Fang at 3rd. Wielding an Earth Breaker by itself for your first two levels will wipe up the board anyways.
Human Fighter can qualify at 2nd level with the whole feat chain, then branch off into whatever else you want to do. A couple levels of fighter never hurt anyone :)