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Okay I know the rules state the following:
The magus chooses the blade's type upon gaining the blade, and once chosen, it can't be changed.
But if black blade is destroyed could it's type be changed during the ritual to reforge it?
Unbreakable (Ex): As long as it has at least 1 point in its arcane pool, a black blade is immune to the broken condition. If broken, the black blade is unconscious and powerless until repaired. If destroyed, the black blade can be reforged 1 week later through a special ritual that costs 200 gp per magus level. The ritual takes 24 hours to complete.
I ask this because I feel I have made a poor choice for my black blade. I would like to change it without killing off my character and bringing in his long lost twin with all the same abilities but a different black blade. I was hoping to do something that fit the rules and also fit within the realm of possibility (for a roleplaying fantasy game that is).
The character is level seven in the Rise of the Runelords. I am sure there has to be someone capable of destroying a black blade if my character saps it of all of its arcane pool. I plan on changing it from a bastard sword to katana. We have a ninja in the group who could help me retrain the exotic weapon feat. I really dont know why I chose the bastard sword at the time. The katana makes more sense for the higher crit range and a descent amount of damage. I wanted and extotic weapon sword for flavor though which is why I did not chose scimitar and go down that path.
By the RAW that you've posted, no. You're stuck, since the black blade says you choose the type upon gaining the blade and can't change it, and there's nothing in the rules for reforging it that list an exception to that rule.
So, if you want to do this, you're going to have to ask your GM if you can bend the rules here.
... I'd say RAW, no. It says repaired / re-forged. Not replaced. Also it is EXPLICIT of
The magus chooses the blade’s type upon gaining the blade, and once chosen, it can’t be changed.
The black blade is an intelligent weapon with a purpose blah blah blah. I'd imagine that if you had a mace that liked being a mace and brought it back as a longsword, said mace might have some severe words with you, even if (on paper) it's supposed to 'only' be a class feature.
My suggestion? Talk to your GM. Say you messed up and want to rebuild the char.
If the char was always supposed to have a katana and rules wise, they didn't exist until <X> point and you want to make the rules match the fluff of it, I'd allow it. OTOH, if your just looking for a mechanical bonus, I wouldn't. You built the char with a basich sword, it's what you wanted. Just because something bigger and prettier comes along your bound to the weapon. That's a negative of the BB Magus.
There was an intelligent weapon you could pick up in Neverwinter nights that allowed you to change the shape of it (once off maybe?) Alternatively, sit down with the local magical blacksmith and come up with a one off ritual to give the weapon the "Transformative" property as a single use once only thing.
If it is a home game he can just let it go. It won't really break the game, but holding you to your second choice should be done if he does not like to houserule things.
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but holding you to your second choice should be done if he does not like to houserule things.
I would agree that 100%.
@Ecaterina Ducaird, i was aware of both katana and batard sword at the time of creation of character. still i just cant for the life of me figure out why i took the exotic weapon prof for bastard sword at 3rd level at the time of choosing my black blade. sometimes you just make a stupid choice and the next day your like what the ...
If it helps, think of 13th warrior where he shaves down a big sword into a scimitar?
Polymorph Any Object could change it to a katana and its material too if you like.
Either way, probably best to spend some time communing with the blade to make sure it's on boarf, maybe diplomacy check vs its ego?
I might be entirely wrong but from your OP it sounds like your GM is basically agreeing with you and you're mostly looking for some cover in the rules to justify the change.
From what you said regarding the proficiency retraining it sounds like you have access to Ucmp, have you considered using the downtime rules to retrain the class feature that gives you the black blade?
I'd either personally rule it as either retraining an archetype (since the black blade is fairly iconic to the BB magus) or retraining a class feature. You can find rules for both types of retraining on p. 189 in Ultimate Campaign.
Fluff the gold and time expenses as you bribing, cajoling, wailing and begging the blade in question to adapt to your new vision of beauty, as well as the cost of having the blade physically reshaped.
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@Kudaku yeah we looked at that as well, actually that was what we looked to first. We were just looking for some good story ideas and maybe a better rule to justify making it happen. As it is he is working on a personal side quest to help me out. The destroying and reforging kind of covers the idea how it loses its form thus allowing my will to reshape it in the ritual of reforging. But losing the archtype, therefore losing the blade, then regaining the archtype and the choosing a new type of sword was a little meh. Yeah RAW says it works but story wise can you just dump your sentient blade and then go out and start hanging out with a new one like nothing happened. What if you run into each other in a tavern one day and you're there with the new black blade and your old black blade is there with a new magus, AWKWARD!
@Kudaku yeah we looked at that as well, actually that was what we looked to first. We were just looking for some good story ideas and maybe a better rule to justify making it happen. As it is he is working on a personal side quest to help me out. The destroying and reforging kind of covers the idea how it loses its form thus allowing my will to reshape it in the ritual of reforging. But losing the archtype, therefore losing the blade, then regaining the archtype and the choosing a new type of sword was a little meh. Yeah RAW says it works but story wise can you just dump your sentient blade and then go out and start hanging out with a new one like nothing happened. What if you run into each other in a tavern one day and you're there with the new black blade and your old black blade is there with a new magus, AWKWARD!
"you left ME for this katana HUSSY?!?"
Yeah, I can see that getting awkward. However you can fluff the retraining any way you want (and indeed a lot of the time you need to not consider the retraining too hard or you run into some awkward questions - why do you suddenly forget your old profession when you retrain skill points for instance?), personally I would probably involve some interaction challenges when you persuade/intimidate/trick/bribe your blade, maybe with a DC of 5+ the ego of the blade.
I don't suppose anyone wants to just hand wave it with magic. You are a wizard and you could do it. Glad your GM is on board, means there are dozens of ways to do it because you can ignore raw, instead of no way because rules.
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By the RAW that you've posted, no. You're stuck, since the black blade says you choose the type upon gaining the blade and can't change it, and there's nothing in the rules for reforging it that list an exception to that rule.
So, if you want to do this, you're going to have to ask your GM if you can bend the rules here.
If you use the new rules published in Ultimate Campaign, it can be done. It just takes time.
*The rules in UC allow you to train out of archetyps, into archetypes, change feats and reassign stat bonuses from leveling. All take time and have periods of time where the character is without the original feature and has not yet gained the new feature.
If it takes time and sacrifice then its an awful decision. Working with the DM is far easier, and really should be your first option.
There are rules for redoing class features in ultimate campaign?
There are rules for redoing class features in ultimate campaign?Yes. I had the opportunity to read the book yesterday.
Huh, I need to find a copy sometime. As I said though, I much prefer working with your DM. The games about fun, I don't think time and sacrifice should be part of the formula. Punishes bad decisions.
Huh, I need to find a copy sometime. As I said though, I much prefer working with your DM. The games about fun, I don't think time and sacrifice should be part of the formula. Punishes bad decisions.There are rules for redoing class features in ultimate campaign?Yes. I had the opportunity to read the book yesterday.
You're in luck, some helpful soul has uploaded the retraining rules to PFSRD.
Link is available here.