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Summon Good Monster
Source Champions of Purity pg. 33
You can summon the aid of creatures driven by their very nature to destroy evil.
Prerequisites: Good alignment.
Benefit: When casting summon monster, you also gain access to the list of good monsters below. Your righteous determination grants these summoned creatures the Diehard feat. You may still summon creatures from the standard list, but without the Diehard feat.
I am so buying this
What's the list of viable monsters like?
It is a very good feat especially with the die hard.
Shame there's no evil version.
Would this work with the Summoners Summon Monster Ability?
Also, is this PFS legal?
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As an aside, the blink dog is a poor addition to the Summon Monster list since summoned monsters are incapable of planar travel like blinking.
Shame there's no evil version.
No evil version YET!
I don't see how Diehard benefits summoned creatures, since they go away at 0 hit points.
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I don't see how Diehard benefits summoned creatures, since they go away at 0 hit points.
There's two ways to look at this:
1. The author of the feat gave the summoned good monster an ability that it cannot possibly use. Bad author! Very BAD!
2. The author of this feat assumed that DieHard keeps it from dying and therefore keeps it from being unsummoned and therefore his intent was for Diehard to keep the monster from going away at negative HP but not dead.
Using that assumption, a creature at -HP but less negative than its CON score would be staggered but still able to move and even attack, causing -1 damage to itself each time it attacked. It also could be healed. It wouldn't be unsummoned until its -HP matches its CON score.
(I still say "Bad author!" because he should have made this clear in the feat description)
I would say this specific rule over rides the general rule
In this case, nothing is being overriden, though. The critter goes to 0 hp, poof!, it's gone. The effects of Diehard don't come into play because it doesn't stop you from going negative.
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2. The author of this feat assumed that DieHard keeps it from dying and therefore keeps it from being unsummoned and therefore his intent was for Diehard to keep the monster from going away at negative HP but not dead.
Using that assumption, a creature at -HP but less negative than its CON score would be staggered but still able to move and even attack, causing -1 damage to itself each time it attacked. It also could be healed. It wouldn't be unsummoned until its -HP matches its CON score.
I believe this is the popular interpretation of intent on the boards. It's what I'd roll with at least.
It actually makes a flavorful bit of sense too. It's a Good-powered call for aid to celestial beings that enables them to stick around and stay in the fight longer even if it means suffering a bit more. That self-sacrificing nature and all that.
Also, having celestial giant octopi on the list is worth the price of admission alone. :D
I'm not sure if you're making a joke, but giant octopi were on the Summon Monster list already.
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I would say this specific rule over rides the general ruleIn this case, nothing is being overriden, though. The critter goes to 0 hp, poof!, it's gone. The effects of Diehard don't come into play because it doesn't stop you from going negative.
There has been a FAQ answered on a similar point. I feel it's safe to assume that the feat does indeed have some use ;-)
"Half-Orc, Ferocious Summons: How does this ability work if a summoned creature disappears when it reaches 0 hp?
The summoned creature does not disappear at 0 hp, instead it disappears when killed (when its current hp get to a negative amount equal to its Constitution score)."