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I was wondering how this hex works against Undead, Constructs, Elementals, and Outsiders.
Forced Reincarnation (Su): The witch causes a creature within 30 feet to die and be immediately reincarnated into a new body. A Will save negates this effect. Those that fail are slain and immediately brought back to life with the spell reincarnate. Whether or not the save is successful, a creature cannot be the target of this hex again for 1 day.
A creature that has been turned into an undead creature or killed by a death effect can't be returned to life by this spell. Constructs, elementals, outsiders, and undead creatures can't be reincarnated.
I note that while I'd expect such a hex to be a fort save (which would make undead and constructs immune by default), it is actually a will save. Also, due to the text quoted for reincarnation, apparently the death caused by this hex is not a death effect, lest the hex would never work at all.
So, how does this work?
1. Specific trumps general, with the Hex you *can* reincarnate those creature types.
2. Those creatures are killed as per the hex, but then they get hit w/ Reincarnate, the spell says, "uh...this isn't in my job description, sorry," and does nothing, and they just die.
3. Since they can't be both killed and reincarnated, the hex does nothing.
4. Something else.
I think by RAW, #2 is how it works, though #1 might also be the case. I don't see why #3 could possibly be correct.
The hex does mention killing the target, so perhaps undead and constructs are immune for not being alive. But at least for undead, there are spells to "kill" them or make them "dead," such as undeath to death.
I'd say that there is nothing in the hex that explicitly states that it bypasses the "Constructs, elementals, outsiders, and undead creatures can't be reincarnated" rule, so I would actually lean more towards #3. Though I could see the case made for #2.
I was wondering how this hex works against Undead, Constructs, Elementals, and Outsiders.
Forced Reincarnation (Su): The witch causes a creature within 30 feet to die and be immediately reincarnated into a new body. A Will save negates this effect. Those that fail are slain and immediately brought back to life with the spell reincarnate. Whether or not the save is successful, a creature cannot be the target of this hex again for 1 day.A creature that has been turned into an undead creature or killed by a death effect can't be returned to life by this spell. Constructs, elementals, outsiders, and undead creatures can't be reincarnated.I note that while I'd expect such a hex to be a fort save (which would make undead and constructs immune by default), it is actually a will save. Also, due to the text quoted for reincarnation, apparently the death caused by this hex is not a death effect, lest the hex would never work at all.
So, how does this work?
1. Specific trumps general, with the Hex you *can* reincarnate those creature types.
2. Those creatures are killed as per the hex, but then they get hit w/ Reincarnate, the spell says, "uh...this isn't in my job description, sorry," and does nothing, and they just die.
3. Since they can't be both killed and reincarnated, the hex does nothing.
4. Something else.I think by RAW, #2 is how it works, though #1 might also be the case. I don't see why #3 could possibly be correct.
The hex does mention killing the target, so perhaps undead and constructs are immune for not being alive. But at least for undead, there are spells to "kill" them or make them "dead," such as undeath to death.
#2 because the spell says it kills them. Not the spells fault the reincarnate fails.
I would it needs to specifically say it bypasses reincarnation's rule. Otherwise there is no trumping. As an example a spell that forces an undead creature to make a fort save would have to specially say it affects undead, assuming the spell does not work on objects.
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I'd go with the third choice. While an argument for the second can clearly be made by the rules as written, it's a loophole that exploits wording that is not the intent of the ability. The whole point of the hex is to reincarnate a creature against its will. If the subject cannot be reincarnated, then it would not be killed.
Why are people saying #3? You cannot reincarnate those creatures, for good reason -- they can't be raised from the dead normally and the elementals and outsiders don't actually "die" in many circumstances due to being summoned.
But killing is not a part of the reincarnation spell, that is an entirely separate effect the hex inflicts. It's the same hex, but it has a sequential order. Target is killed, *then* immediately reincarnated. So why would the 2nd effect of the hex being ineligible affect the first part?
As for 3 I think it depends on how the author meant for it to work. It could be one affect that kills them and immediately bring them back to life meaning it should work as a simultaneous affect.
On the other hand it could be intended as two effects in one ability that kills them, and then brings them back to life.
Note that my second explanation has a comma.
So the question is does it "kills them and...." or does it "kills them, and..".
As written it has not comma so it is all one affect. As an example if I have an effect/spell/etc that kills you and brings you back as a vampire, but you are immune to ever becoming a vampire I can see the argument that the spell/effect/etc fails to work.
Also from the way I am reading it the reincarnation spell is not cast. It is just being referenced so you know how the ability works.
PS:I am not sure about how this is supposed to work so I did FAQ it. The lack of a comma may have been a grammatical error.
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Ok, it now says "answered in the FAQ" up top. Can someone show me where? I'm not finding it myself.
I can't find it either. This seems to have been marked in error.