Ubue and improved unarmed strike

[goldomark]

If I were to put a monk level on a Ubue or Ettin, who that mean the Ubue would get three unarmed strike and an Ettin two?

This wouldn't mean anything with flurry, but I'm not sure if they do not flurry.

[Gobo Horde]

An Ubue would get 3 attacks regardless. Multiweapon fighting replaces two weapon fighting so you could make 1 attack normally or 3 attacks in a full round action.

[blackbloodtroll]

Not quite.

Any creature can two weapon fight with unarmed strikes.

If a creature has multiweapon fighting, then it can make an attack with all available unarmed strikes as a full-round action.

Exactly how many those are, is debatable.

If we look at the Monk, we see it noted "A monk's attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet.", and we see in the description of unarmed attacks as "punches, kicks, and head butts".

So, for this Ubue, he can attack with three Head butts, three punches, three elbows, three kicks, and three knees.

So, fifteen.

Awesome part, it only takes one casting of any spell to effect them all, as the unarmed strike is limb-agnostic, but only when it's beneficial.

[Talonhawke]

However it can also be argued that your still functioning on a 1 attack per limb restriction bbt. Meaning you can punch or elbow but not not both with the same leg in the same attack string. Still leaves an impressive 9 attacks a round.

[seebs]

I don't see anything that suggests that the number of attacks you can make with unarmed attacks scales like that. If it did, a human monk would start with five (two feet, two hands, and a head butt). Or at least four.

[blackbloodtroll]

Ah, but the Human is using two weapon fighting.

Now, then, when one starts Multiweapon fighting, things change.

There are no such restrictions with multiweapon fighting.

[Talonhawke]

This is one place we agree bbt. I personally limit MWF to a number if attacks equal to standard weapon wielding limbs. But a hard rule would be nice.

[blackbloodtroll]

Indeed.

Of course, if you create a limb based limitation, then that can effect creatures with less than two limbs.

It is entirely possible for a limbless creature to two-weapon fight.

Also, there are attacks that are not limb based at all.

Perhaps it is old hat, but the recent rules errata on unarmed strikes and two weapon fighting is conundrum creator.

[Talonhawke]

Notice I said how I rule on MWF nothing about TWF bbt.

[blackbloodtroll]

Then there are things like Awakened Octopi.

[Talonhawke]

Who are a corner case to be ruled on by the GM.

[blackbloodtroll]

Well, just about anything with multiweapon fighting is in the DM's corner.

[Talonhawke]

Exactly as of right now the only time unarmed and MWF is going to come up is if the GM lets it. So there's not really an issue.

Also an awakened octopus doesn't even qualify for MWF. So at best he is looking at the TWF route without sucking up penalties.