Is Animal Fury ever a primary attack?


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Scarab Sages

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If Animal Fury's bite attack is used with other natural attacks, does it become a primary attack?

Animal Fury (Ex):
Benefit: While raging, the barbarian gains a bite attack. If used as part of a full attack action, the bite attack is made at the barbarian's full base attack bonus –5. If the bite hits, it deals 1d4 points of damage (assuming the barbarian is Medium; 1d3 points of damage if Small) plus half the barbarian's Strength modifier. A barbarian can make a bite attack as part of the action to maintain or break free from a grapple. This attack is resolved before the grapple check is made. If the bite attack hits, any grapple checks made by the barbarian against the target this round are at a +2 bonus.

Also, does Reckless Abandon go up with every 4 character levels or Barbarian Class levels?

Reckless Abandon (Ex):
Benefit: While raging, the barbarian can take a –1 penalty to AC to gain a +1 bonus on attack rolls. The AC penalty increases by –1 and the attack roll bonus increases by +1 at 4th level and every four levels thereafter.

I wish it was written more clearly...


Yes. Somebody from Paizo commented on that once I believe, probably James Jacobs.

As with ALL class abilities, references to 'level' are understood to be self-referential to within that class, i.e. applying to only levels of that class (or anything which counts as levels of that class). Abilities that refer to total character level will explicitly say that.

Liberty's Edge

Reckless Abandon:
It is a class ability, unless the ability say differently all class ability increase only when you increase the class that grant them.

It is a general rule that should always follow unless the specific rule say something different.

Animal Fury:
I don't see any reason to think that the ability do anything different from what it say.
It say. "If used as part of a full attack action, the bite attack is made at the barbarian's full base attack bonus –5." so you always get the -5 when making a full attack.
It don't even say that it is a secondary attack even if I think that is the reason for the -5. Probably the author didn't wanted to give the character the option to remove the -5 if the bite attack was used as part of a full attack, regardless of with which attacks it was used.

Sczarni

There is a regular -5 penalty for natural attacks if they are done in full-attack action with manufactured weapons and I believe that is it.

If it doesn't mention the type of attack it's probably best to avoid the question and simply say that it grants -5 penalty at full attacks which would classify it as secondary bite attack.

This is just my opinion, not the RAW.

Scarab Sages

My opinion is that they wrote it too explanatory and not explanatory enough. They basically describe that which happens to a natural attack if used with a manufactured weapon, it becomes a secondary attack. They don't mention what happens if the attack is used alone. If the attack is used outside of the full attack action - no info, whatsoever.

Grand Lodge

Apparently, every time a power granting a natural attack mentions how natural attacks work with manufactured attacks, suddenly everyone thinks that how they always work.

The reminder suddenly becomes default for some, in spite of RAW.

It is as if they want it to be an exception.

It is frustratingly silly, and happens way too often.


And the problem is that it doesn't actually say this is how it works when used with an ITERATIVE full attack,
you can also make a full attack using only other natural weapons, in which case primary weapons are NOT dropped to secondary.

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