Agree with bbt here it should all good.
hmm its til a shield that needs to be straped to your forearm...
Isn't it listed as a shield as well?
By the description it count as a spiked light shield. Shield normally can't be quickdrawn, eventhough they are listed in the weapons table due to bashing.
Personally, I would allow a quickdraw klar by paying the extra 50 gp, to make it similar to a quickdraw light shield.
It is a weapon.
A shield, as well, is a weapon.
All can be quickdrawn, and used to attack.
A shield is a weapon.
A Klar is a weapon.
A shield is a weapon.
It isn't really RAW if you ignore half of the rules regarding the item...
quickdraw light shield
Here's where the trouble comes in. It's clear that normally you can't ever draw a shield except with a move action to put it on; otherwise, the quickdraw shield would be useless.
However, the question is whether or not the existence of quickdraw shields precludes using Quick Draw the feat to draw a shield free. I'm not sure just what would work...
I personally would probably rule that yes, you drew it quickly and can use it as a weapon, but you still need to spend a move action if you want to actually put it on and get a shield bonus from it.
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It isn't really RAW if you ignore half of the rules regarding the item...It is a weapon.
A shield, as well, is a weapon.
All can be quickdrawn, and used to attack.
A shield is a weapon.
A Klar is a weapon.
A shield is a weapon.
It says it takes a move action to don a shield in the armor section of the equipment area of PRD. A shield is listed as a weapon also. Quick draw allows a weapon to be drawn as a free action instead of a move action.
I believe that, without any better rules to go by, I would have to say that by RAW you can quick draw a shield.
Explain.
A shield is a type of armor that also work like a weapon. Both the rules for armor (specifically shields) and for weapons need to be taken into account.
While weapons can be drawn as a free action with quickdraw, a shield need to donned with is unaffected by quickdraw (apart from the quickdraw shield).If we simply apply the weapons rules, we disregard the rules concerning armor.
When we treat the shield as both, you need a move action to don it. Or get a quickdraw light shield and the quickdraw feat to do it as a free action.
It says it takes a move action to don a shield in the armor section of the equipment area of PRD. A shield is listed as a weapon also. Quick draw allows a weapon to be drawn as a free action instead of a move action.
I believe that, without any better rules to go by, I would have to say that by RAW you can quick draw a shield.
The existance of the quickdraw shield pretty much disproves this. They would probably not include an shield that specifically can be drawn as a free action with Quick Draw if that was the case for every shield.
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A Shield needs to be donned to gain a Shield bonus.
A Shield only need be wielded, to be used as a weapon.
A Shield can be drawn, and used, as a weapon.
So, you draw a Shield, as a free action, with Quickdraw, just like any other weapon.
Donning a Shield, and drawing a Shield, are two different things.
A Quickdraw Shield allows you to don it faster.
I have ignored no rules.
I guess the op's question is answered by what the Klar should be primarily treated as. If its more weapon like then I vote yes if it's more shield like then probably a no.
Bbt does that mean one can use quick draw to pull out a ladder if you plan on treating it as an improvised weapon?
...A Shield only need be wielded, to be used as a weapon.
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And this is the part, where I find your look on shield rules to be a bit selective.
Light and heavy shield is armor types that can be used as weapons. Claiming that they are only weapons, disregards what they are beside a weapon.EDIT: To add an example based on your interpretation that gets absurd: Spiked Armor. Just like a light shield it figures in the weapons table. So would you allow a spiked full plate to be quick drawn and wielded as a light weapon?
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Not selective.
The Quickdraw Shield adds much more than simply the ability to draw it quickly.
How does the existence of the Quickdraw shield negate the Quickdraw feat's ability to draw the shield as a free action?
Having both a Quickdraw feat and a Quickdraw Shield, allow you to don, or put away the Quickdraw shield as a free action.
Why would these two ever interact in such a way if the shield somehow stops being a weapon.
Normally, a weapon can only be drawn, not put away, as a free action with the Quickdraw feat.
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I can see BBT's reasoning. You'd lose the shield bonus if you attacked with the Klar regardless...
This came up because I am contemplating a Shoanti Ranger that uses TWF and eventually takes Thunder & Fang.
Being able to QuickDraw the Klar opens up some nice options for a little more damage, and would make T&F more worthwhile.
Round one you could 2-hand your Earthbreaker while getting into position to full-attack. Round two you could QuickDraw the Klar & TWF.
I can't find any rules that would appear to let you 2-hand the Earthbreaker while wearing a Klar so I guess you can't make 2-handed AoO's... Unless you got a QuickDraw Klar and had the QuickDraw feat.
EDIT: I guess my next question is; is the QuickDraw (shield quality) something you could add to a Klar?
i think its funny i just keep the shield straped to my arm at all times (unles sleep)
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Under the Shield description, it mentions bash attacks:
Shield Bash Attacks: You can bash an opponent with a heavy shield. See “shield, heavy” on Table: Weapons for the damage dealt by a shield bash. Used this way, a heavy shield is a martial bludgeoning weapon. For the purpose of penalties on attack rolls, treat a heavy shield as a one-handed weapon. If you use your shield as a weapon, you lose its AC bonus until your next turn. An enhancement bonus on a shield does not improve the effectiveness of a shield bash made with it, but the shield can be made into a magic weapon in its own right.
The text states that when the shield is 'used this way' it is treated as a martial bludgeoning weapon. Which means that that when the shield is 'not being used this way' it is not a martial bludgeoning weapon. Simply, a shield is not a weapon but but can be used as a weapon in very limited circumstances. The shield is only considered a weapon during an attack, so there is no point at which Quick Draw can be used.
On a related note, I also want to point out that the buckler does not appear on the weapon table. If blackbloodtroll's assertion was to be believed, Quick Draw cannot be used with a buckler even though a buckler is smaller and lighter than a light or heavy shield. Does that really make sense? Nope. This is another reason why the argument of using the weapon table to qualify a shield as a weapon is questionable.
As for the OP, the Klar "counts as a light wooden shield with armor spikes", so Quick Draw cannot be applied either.
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A Shield is a weapon.
It is not a pseudo weapon.
This assertion that the Shield is some sort of "improvised" weapon that acts as a ball and chain sitting useless upon your arm is not supported.
It can be enchanted as a weapon.
It can be chosen for any feat specific to a weapon.
When pricing it for special materials, it is priced as a weapon, if no separate pricing for shields exist.
When used with feats, it functions as a weapon.
Why?
A Shield is a weapon.