Improved Familiar Level for a Brownie

[Stellari]

Okay, I'm seeing different rules for this, at least in book entries...
The improved familiar feat states: "Brownie Neutral 7th" from Ultimate Magic
The beastiary 2 states: "A 5th-level neutral spellcaster with the Improved Familiar feat can gain a brownie as a familiar."
Which should I take as true?

[Purple Fluffy CatBunnyGnome]

Hi Stellari ... As brownies aren't allowed in PFS play, I'm guessing that you've posted in the wrong part of the forums. I've flagged your post to have it moved to the correct section of the forums.

[Stellari]

So the familiars listed on the beastiary 2 section of additional resources are "not legal"? I ask because it doesn't specify either.

[Purple Fluffy CatBunnyGnome]

If you're looking for something for PFS play, I would take a look at the additional resources guide

*click on the big society link on the left ... there should be an option to download the additional resources guide ... if not then look for player resources on the left *

Brownies, to the best of my knowledge are not leagal for society play.

[Stellari]

"Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 2
Animal Companions: allosaurus, arsinoitherium, baboon, compsognathus, gar, glyptodon, hippopotamus, manta ray, megaloceros, megatherium, parasaurolophus, ram, giant snapping turtle, stingray, tylosaurus; Familiars: brownie, compsognathus, lyraken azata, snapping turtle, voidworm protean; Feats: none of the feats are legal for play for PCs, animal companions, or familiars unless specifically granted by another legal source; Other: all creatures in this book are legal for polymorph effects (including a druid's wild shape ability) within the boundaries of each spell or ability's parameters."

From the additional resources page, if I read that correctly, it brings up my original question.

[Purple Fluffy CatBunnyGnome]

Hrmm ... I'm at work so I don't have all the documents to be able to spread them out and look at them. I've never heard of Brownies being legal for society play, but I haven't done an awful lot with improved familiar passed getting the one I wanted from a boon.

[Rogar Stonebow]

They were just recently allowed.

[Stellari]

So, original question, can I get it at lvl 5 via the statement in the beastiary 2 brownie block, or would I have to wait until level 7 via the description of the Improved Familiar feat?

[Kyrie Ebonblade]

Stellari wrote:

So, original question, can I get it at lvl 5 via the statement in the beastiary 2 brownie block, or would I have to wait until level 7 via the description of the Improved Familiar feat?

Level 7 I am pretty sure.

[Stellari]

Dang, that statement had me all hoping, I guess I'll leave this thread open for now

[Mergy]

I've checked Additional Resources, and first of all, the brownie is allowed as a familiar with Improved Familiar. It's also mentioned as allowed in both the Bestiary 2 and Ultimate Magic references.

Given that it's legally available from both sources, I would personally say that level 5 is fine. You're following the legal requirements from Bestiary 2, and as long as you possess that resource, you're okay.

[graywulfe]

Bestiary 2 conflicts with itself on this issue. Calling out 5th and 7th level in different places. Also the PRD mirrors this conflict.

I hit the FAQ flag on the initial post, as this is an error that should get fixed.

[Mergy]

I just did a quick search of my Bestiary 2 PDF, and I did not find a mention of picking it up at level 7. Do you have a page number graywulfe?

[graywulfe]

Oops, my bad. I was remembering a chart in the Bestiary 2, for the Improved Familiar Feat, that is not there.

I still think hitting the FAQ button on the original post is the way to go here.

[Stellari]

bump

[asthyril]

usually, if you can find no other solution, the most recent printed version is the one you are supposed to use.

in this case the UM is the newer book(april 2011 vs bestiary 2 december 2010), so the rule would be the level 7 requirement, barring any errata or clarification.

it's really not the greatest confirmation, but i really think that's the closest you're going to get